Speed of moving mass as it loses mass

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a freight car losing mass as sand flows out while a constant force is applied. The initial approach considers the freight car's acceleration under constant mass conditions, but acknowledges that the changing mass complicates the situation. It is clarified that momentum is not conserved due to the external force and changing mass, leading to the application of a more general form of Newton's second law. The equation F = d(mv)/dt is introduced to account for the dynamics of the system, emphasizing the relationship between force, mass loss, and velocity change. The conversation aims to derive the speed of the freight car once all the sand has exited.
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Homework Statement


A Freight Car of Mass M contains a mass of sand m. At t=0, a constant horizontal force i applied in the direction of rolling, and at the same time a port in the bottom is opened to let the sand flow out at a constant rate dm/dt. Find the speed of the freight care when all the sand is gone. Assume the car is at rest at t=0


Homework Equations


F= ma
mv = mv - conservation of momentum?


The Attempt at a Solution


If there were no sand leaking from the bottom of the train, then the train would be accelerating at a constant acceleration because F= (M+m)a and the masses would be constant. However, the mass is changing, so the acceleration will be increasing over time. I'm just not sure how I can put these into a mathematical answer

 
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lei123 said:

Homework Statement


A Freight Car of Mass M contains a mass of sand m. At t=0, a constant horizontal force i applied in the direction of rolling, and at the same time a port in the bottom is opened to let the sand flow out at a constant rate dm/dt. Find the speed of the freight care when all the sand is gone. Assume the car is at rest at t=0

If there were no sand leaking from the bottom of the train, then the train would be accelerating at a constant acceleration because F= (M+m)a and the masses would be constant. However, the mass is changing, so the acceleration will be increasing over time. I'm just not sure how I can put these into a mathematical answer

Just do it step by step …

what is the mass at time t? …

what is the acceleration at time t? :smile:
 
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Homework Equations


F= ma
mv = mv - conservation of momentum?


The momentum is not conserved as there is an external force, and also the mass is changing. Moreover, F=ma is valid for a body of constant mass. Newton formulated his second law in a more general form, so it was valid even for changing mass:

"The change of momentum of a body is proportional to the impulse impressed on the body, and happens along the straight line on which that impulse is impressed."

F*dt = d (mv)

that is F = d(mv)/dt = v*dm/dt +m*dv/dt.


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