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The discussion revolves around the measurement of electron spin in a Hydrogen atom, particularly in the context of how spin is quantified in different directions under the influence of a magnetic field. Participants explore the implications of measuring spin components and the associated energy levels, as well as the quantum mechanical properties of spin operators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that measuring the spin of an electron in an arbitrary direction yields a specific energy value based on the magnetic field component in that direction.
  • Another participant discusses the Hamiltonian for the system and the process of finding eigenvalues related to the x-component of spin, indicating a mathematical approach to the problem.
  • A different participant points out that the spin components cannot be summed due to the non-commuting nature of the spin operators in different directions, leading to a specific expectation value for total spin angular momentum.
  • One participant questions the meaning of the intrinsic angular momentum quantum number and reflects on their understanding of the relationship between intrinsic angular momentum and the direction of applied magnetic fields.

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Participants express differing views on the treatment of spin components and their summation, with some asserting that they cannot be combined due to operator non-commutativity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of measuring spin in different directions and the interpretation of intrinsic angular momentum.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the measurement process and the definitions of terms like intrinsic angular momentum and energy eigenvalues. The mathematical steps involved in the eigenvalue problem are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of angular momentum and spin measurements in atomic systems.

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So if you measures the spin of an electron in a Hydrogen atom (which I understand requires a magnetic field to eliminate the degeneracy of energy levels) in an arbitrary direction

[tex]x^i[/tex]

you would measure plus or minus

[tex]\frac{eh}{2Mc}B_i[/tex]

in Joules. Where [tex]B_i[/tex] is the magnetic field component in the direction [tex]x^i[/tex]

I understand you never measure anything between this.

What about the magnetic field components of the other 2 orthogonal dimensions? Is the spin in those directions also

[tex]\frac{eh}{2Mc}B_i[/tex]

That would give a total intrinsic angular momentum of 3/2.
 
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Well it's been a couple years since I took my quals, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe the Hamiltonian for this system is:

[tex]H=\dfrac{e\hbar}{2mc}B_z\sigma_z[/tex]

But if you want to find the possibile energies that you'd get by making a measurement of the x-component of the spin, you're basically finding the eigenvalues of the x spinor. So you'd do,

[tex]\dfrac{e\hbar}{2mc}B_z\sigma_z \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\1\end{array}\right) = E \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\1\end{array}\right)[/tex]

So assuming I got that right, now you just need to do the eigenvalue problem.
 
You can't sum up the components; the operators don't commute for different directions.
They do commute with S2 and so you get an expectation value [tex]S^2 = 3\hbar^2/4[/tex] and more generally [tex]S = \sqrt{s(s+1)}[/tex]

So the total spin angular momentum is [tex]S = \hbar\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}[/tex]
 
So what does it mean to say the spin of an electron is l=1/2 where l is the total angular momentum.

Edit:

I think I understand my mistake, l is the total angular momentum quantum number, not the energy eigenvalue.

So then am I correct in saying that the absolute value of the intrinsic angular momentum of a particle is equal in any direction a magnetic field of equal intensity is applied?
 
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