Spinning ball bounces off ground, following curved trajectory

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The problem involves a solid, homogenous ball that is spinning and falls to the ground, where it rebounds to a new height after impact. The scenario includes considerations of angular velocity, gravitational effects, and friction during the collision with the floor.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy and momentum, questioning the role of angular velocity and the effects of friction during the impact. There are attempts to calculate components of velocity post-impact and to understand the relationship between vertical and horizontal motion.

Discussion Status

Some participants have proposed calculations for the vertical component of velocity and the average normal force during impact. Others are exploring the implications of the ball's initial spin and whether it affects the outcome. There is no explicit consensus on the assumptions regarding the impact of gravity during the collision.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption that the ball is slipping throughout the impact and question the relevance of the initial spin and angular velocity in their calculations. There is also mention of the finite impact time and the coefficient of kinetic friction as factors in the problem.

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Homework Statement



You have a solid, homogenous ball with radius R. Before falling to the floor, its center of mass is at rest, but it is spinning with angular velocity \omega_0 about a horizontal axis through its center. The lowest point of the ball is at a height h above the floor. When released, the ball falls under the influence of gravity, and rebounds to a new height such that its highest point is \alpha h above the floor. The deformation of the ball and the floor due to the impact can be negligible; the impact time, though, is finite. The mass of the ball is m, and the coefficient of kinetic friction between the ball and the floor is \mu_k. Ignore air resistance.

For the situation where the ball is slipping throughout the impact, find the horizontal distance traveled in flight between the first and second impacts.

Homework Equations



Conservation of energy, momentum

Equation for friction.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea how to start this problem. In between collisions, the angular velocity of the ball remains constant, right? That means if I can find the translational velocity (magnitude and direction) immediately after collision, I will be able to answer this problem.

I was thinking of using conservation of energy. Since there is no deformation, this means all the energy lost in the collision is due to friction right? But this does not help me find at what angle the ball bounces off the ground, which I need.
 
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Determine the change of vertical component of velocity during the impact from the the initial and the final height.
Determine the average normal force during the impact.
Calculate the frictional force.

The friction will accelerate translation.

ehild
 
Is this correct?

Let v_x and v_y be the x and y components of the velocity of the ball immediately after impact. It's easy to calculate that v_y = \sqrt{2g\alpha h}.

Let \Delta t be the time of the impact. During this time, we have \Delta v_y = \sqrt{2gh} + \sqrt{2g\alpha h} = \sqrt{2gh}(\sqrt{\alpha}+1)

The average normal force exerted during this time is given by:

\Sigma F_y = N - mg = m \frac{\sqrt{2gh}(\sqrt{\alpha}+1)}{\Delta t}

So the average friction (net force in x-direction) during this time is

f = m \frac{\Delta v_x}{\Delta t} = \mu N

So

v_x = \mu (g\Delta t + \sqrt{2gh}(\sqrt{\alpha}+1))

Thus, we have:

v_y = \sqrt{2g\alpha h}

v_x = \mu (g\Delta t + \sqrt{2gh}(\sqrt{\alpha}+1))

which is enough to solve the problem.

Is it okay to assume that g\Delta t is much smaller than \sqrt{2gh}(\sqrt{\alpha}+1), so we can say

v_x = \mu\sqrt{2gh}(\sqrt{\alpha}+1)

?
 
Well, we usually can ignore the effect of gravity during the time of impact, but I am not sure now. We did not do anything with the initial spin of the ball, although the radius and angular velocity were given. To be honest, I do not know if it counts or only the information that the ball skids during the whole impact is important.

I suggest to calculate the horizontal distance from your vx.

ehild
 

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