Springs, how they work, their coiled structure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mechanics of springs, particularly their coiled structure and how this shape contributes to their functionality. Participants explore theoretical aspects, material properties, and the mathematical implications of spring design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that springs can compress or extend due to their coiled shape, questioning whether this shape makes the material prestressed.
  • Another participant explains that the wire in coil springs experiences torsional stress when loaded, and mentions that the prestressing of the wire depends on the manufacturing process.
  • A participant points out that springs can take various forms beyond helical shapes, such as leaf springs, and emphasizes the role of material elasticity.
  • One participant suggests understanding the mechanics of a linear torsion bar before considering how bending it into a helical shape alters its properties.
  • A mathematical perspective is introduced, discussing how curvature and torsion change when a helix is elongated, and how this relates to the properties of the spring material.
  • References to authoritative texts on spring design and internal stress are provided, indicating that these sources may offer further insights into the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics of springs, with no consensus reached on the specific role of torsion or the implications of different spring shapes. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of stress in springs and the effects of their design.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about material properties and the definitions of terms like torsion and curvature, which may not be universally agreed upon. The mathematical implications of spring design are also presented without resolution.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying mechanical engineering, materials science, or physics, particularly in relation to the design and function of springs.

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Understand how a spring really works
Hello!

Springs are amazing devices: we take a straight piece of metal wire, we change its shape and get something that can compress or extended a finite length. We could not do that with the straight wire (too difficult to move atoms apart or close to each other in a significant way).

Why does the spring work the way it does? The coil/helical shape is key to the design. But I am not sure what the explanation is. Is the spring, in the coiled shaped, a prestressed material? If we pull it along its axis, does that longitudinal pull translate in torsional motion of the spring section? Is that what happens? Why would the torsion be helpful?

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The wire in coil springs loaded in tension or compression is stressed in torsion. The spring wire may be either prestressed or not, depending on the manufacturing process.

A good discussion of spring stresses is in Fundamentals of Spring Design, by Spring Manufacturers Institute: https://smihq.org/store/ViewProduct.aspx?id=8088348. This should answer your questions. From an earlier edition of Fundamentals of Spring Design:

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If you want to know more, the definitive source on spring design and internal stress is Mechanical Springs, by A.M. Wahl: https://smihq.org/store/viewproduct.aspx?id=8088306.

Interestingly, both of these books are well known, but neither is available from Amazon.
 
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fog37 said:
Springs are amazing devices: we take a straight piece of metal wire, we change its shape and get something that can compress or extended a finite length. We could not do that with the straight wire (too difficult to move atoms apart or close to each other in a significant way).
Wire can be stretched but can't easily be compressed. When the "strings" on a steel-string guitar are tightened, they produce a tone that is higher in pitch. If you tighten them too much, they break -- they can be lengthened only so much.

Springs don't have to be helical. There are many types of springs that aren't, such as leaf springs on trucks and some kinds of cars. All of them are based on the elasticity of the material used to make the spring.
 
Ok, so let's take a mathematical helix, a curve which has both constant curvature and torsion.

1) The more curvature a curve has, the less straight it is. The more torsion the curve has, the less planar it is. When we elongate a helix, I guess its torsion increases and its curvature decreases.

2) When I think of torsion, I think of twisting something using shear stress to deform it permanently or temporarily.
Back to springs, elongating a spring produces more torsion. I see how torsion increases given the mathematical definition of torsion: the piece of the spring get more distant from each other...still the straight metal wire making the spring that we started with has the same material and same overall length as the spring. Having deformed it into the helical shape, we have essentially convert it into something with very different properties...
 
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