Static friction being the force that opposes the reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of static friction and its role in opposing forces during the act of pushing an object, specifically a fridge. Participants explore the relationship between the forces involved, including the reaction force and the frictional force acting on both the object being pushed and the person pushing it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that static friction acts in opposition to the reaction force exerted by the fridge when pushed.
  • Others clarify that the reaction force is part of Newton's third law, where the fridge pushes back with equal and opposite force to the push applied.
  • It is suggested that as long as the applied force is less than or equal to the maximum static friction force, the forces will be equal and opposite, but they are not action/reaction pairs.
  • Participants question what force prevents a person from sliding backwards when pushing the fridge, suggesting that friction is responsible for providing the necessary traction.
  • One participant notes that insufficient friction, such as when wearing socks, can lead to slipping backwards while pushing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the relationship between static friction and reaction forces, with multiple competing views presented regarding their interactions and definitions. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully clarifying these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of forces involved and the conditions under which static friction operates. The discussion highlights the complexity of understanding friction in relation to reaction forces without reaching definitive conclusions.

TheWonderer1
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Hi there,

I was thinking that static friction works in opposition to a reaction force like the force of a fridge against you as you push it. However, since you are pushing horizontally and friction works against you why is it equal or greater than the reaction force? Will the force get negated by your body? I'm just trying to see the relation.
 
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TheWonderer1 said:
I was thinking that static friction works in opposition to a reaction force like the force of a fridge against you as you push it.
Not sure what you mean by "reaction force". You push the fridge and it pushes back with equal and opposite force; those are third law pairs. Friction acts between the fridge and the floor; they exert equal and opposite forces on each other.

TheWonderer1 said:
However, since you are pushing horizontally and friction works against you why is it equal or greater than the reaction force?
As long as the force you exert on fridge is less than or equal to the maximum static friction force that the floor can exert on the fridge, those forces will be equal and opposite. But they are not "action/reaction" pairs.
 
Blah sorry meant someone explained it to me like the above statement. My question is mainly what is force acting against you that prevents you from flying backwards. I think this is friction because if you wear socks, your feet not get enough traction. It's about making sure you have enough traction which I guess is friction at work?
 
TheWonderer1 said:
My question is mainly what is force acting against you that prevents you from flying backwards. I think this is friction because if you wear socks, you will move backwards. It's about making sure you have enough traction which I guess is friction at work?
Sure. For you to push the fridge (or anything else) without sliding backwards, there needs to be sufficient friction acting on you to keep you in place.

When you push the fridge, it pushes back. The friction force on you needs to be enough to counter the force from the fridge.
 
The friction between your socks and the floor prevents you from flying back and should be greater than the friction between the fridge and the floor if otherwise you will be slipping
 

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