Statically charging polypropylene sheets

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms behind the static charging of polypropylene sheets, specifically those used in products like the Magic Whiteboard. Participants explore how these sheets retain their charge and the conditions affecting their stickiness to surfaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the static charge might be created when the sheets are unrolled.
  • Another participant speculates on various methods of charging, including the use of a Van de Graaff generator or rubbing against a carpet, as well as potential production processes.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the longevity of the static charge, noting that typical plastic foils lose their charge quickly due to environmental factors like moisture from walls.
  • There is a suggestion that the whiteboard foil may work similarly to plastic wrap, which could include a cling agent to enhance adhesion.
  • One participant humorously proposes that a large supply of cats might be involved in the charging process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how the sheets are charged or the duration of the charge retention. Multiple competing views and hypotheses are presented, indicating uncertainty about the mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about environmental conditions and material properties, such as the hygroscopic nature of certain surfaces and the potential effects of cling agents.

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So recently, I discovered this: http://www.magicwhiteboard.co.uk/

It's a statically charged polypropylene sheet that sticks to walls, paper, etc. Apparently they retain their static for a long time.

How do they charge these? A giant Van de Graaff generator? Rubbing it against a large carpet? Or is the sheet charged somehow during the process of production?
 
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I don't know for sure but I suspect the static is created as you unroll it.
 
Catapult said:
So recently, I discovered this: http://www.magicwhiteboard.co.uk/

It's a statically charged polypropylene sheet that sticks to walls, paper, etc. Apparently they retain their static for a long time.

How do they charge these? A giant Van de Graaff generator? Rubbing it against a large carpet? Or is the sheet charged somehow during the process of production?

They probably haves a large supply of cats in the factory. :biggrin:
 
Those sheets may be statically charged when you first unroll them, just like many other kinds of plastic foil, but I don't think they are able to keep that charge for a long time under normal circumstances.
You can take any normal plastic foil and stick it to a wall by rubbing over it. But on most walls the foil will fall off again within a few hours. Wood and wallpaper are hygroscopic. So the moisture contained in those substances will slowly discharge the foil.
However if you "glue" plastic foil to a metal wall (or a wall covered in aluminum foil), it can stick there for years.

Anyway, in my opinion that whiteboard foil works similar to plastic wrap, which often has a cling agent added to it (e.g. polyisobutene) to increase the Van der Waals forces that make it stick.
 
DrZoidberg said:
Those sheets may be statically charged when you first unroll them, just like many other kinds of plastic foil, but I don't think they are able to keep that charge for a long time under normal circumstances.
You can take any normal plastic foil and stick it to a wall by rubbing over it. But on most walls the foil will fall off again within a few hours. Wood and wallpaper are hygroscopic. So the moisture contained in those substances will slowly discharge the foil.
However if you "glue" plastic foil to a metal wall (or a wall covered in aluminum foil), it can stick there for years.

Anyway, in my opinion that whiteboard foil works similar to plastic wrap, which often has a cling agent added to it (e.g. polyisobutene) to increase the Van der Waals forces that make it stick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S65ZzffW-Cw
Makes sense, thanks for your answer http://gizmodo.com/5807661/how-does-cling-wrap-cling
 

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