Statics problem, finding the moment (torque) about a straight line

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The discussion revolves around solving a statics problem involving the calculation of the moment (torque) about a straight line defined by points C and D, given a vertical force. Participants explore the necessary equations and vectors involved in the calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem of determining the moment of an 800 lb force about a line and suggests using the equation for the moment vector involving a unit vector, position vector, and force vector.
  • Another participant provides a link to resources on calculating moments about arbitrary axes.
  • A participant corrects the initial unit vector, stating it cannot have a component in the Y direction since the CD line lies in the XZ plane, and emphasizes the importance of the position vector being defined from any point on the axis to any point on the line of force.
  • A participant acknowledges the correction regarding the unit vector and clarifies their understanding that the position vector can be derived from any two points along the line of force and the CD line. They then present their calculations for the unit vector, position vector, force vector, and the resulting moment.
  • The participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their final result and invites feedback on potential mistakes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to calculating the moment, but there are corrections and clarifications regarding the vectors involved. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the final correctness of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the choice of position vector and the orientation of the coordinate system, which may affect the calculations. The dependency on specific definitions and orientations is noted.

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1. Determine the magnitude and direction of the moment of the vertical 800 lb force about the straight line through points C and D. (See attachment for diagram)



2. I believe that the equation i need is (Moment vector)=(unit vector)*((position vector)X(Force Vector))



3. I feel that I working myself into a dead end. But, I think that The unit vector is 0.164i+0.986j+0k and the force vector is 0i-800j+0k
I am having trouble finding what the position vector needs to be, though as I said earlier, I think i am going about this the wrong way.
 

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You might review how to calculate a moment about an arbitrary axis:

http://classes.uleth.ca/200803/engg2000a/Fri%20Oct%203.pdf
 
Your unit vector is wrong. The CD line is in the XZ plane, so its unit vector cannot have a component in the Y direction (j).

As for the position vector, recall that it is a vector form any point on the axis to any point on the line of force.
 
Thank you SteamKing and voko.
I did not realize that the position vector could be any two points, as long as they are along the line of force and the CD line. Also, thank you for pointing out my error with the unit vector, I switched the y and z values since i am use to a different orientation of the z axis.

What i ended up getting was:
u= <0.164, 0, 0.986>
r= <1.5, -3, -1>
F <0, 800, 0>

M = u*(r×F)
M = 0.164(800)-0(0)+0.986(1200)
M = 1314.4 lb-ft

I think that is correct, but do let me know if you see a mistake.
And, thank you both again.
 

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