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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the normal distribution of temperature readings from a thermocouple. The original poster seeks to determine the standard deviation σ required to ensure that 95% of readings fall within 0.1 degree of the mean μ. Participants are exploring the implications of using the standard normal distribution and the interpretation of critical values.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the normal distribution chart and the significance of the value 1.96 in relation to the cumulative distribution function. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of probabilities associated with these values and how to adjust for a standard deviation that is not equal to 1.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of cumulative distribution functions and how they relate to the problem at hand. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the standard normal distribution chart, but no consensus has been reached on the specific adjustments needed for the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of clarity in the provided materials regarding the use of different charts for cumulative probabilities and the adjustments necessary for nonstandard normal distributions. There is an expressed frustration with the author's failure to address these points adequately.

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Homework Statement


The temperature reading from a thermocouple placed in a constant-temperature medium is normally distributed with a mean μ, the actual temperature of the medium, and standard deviation σ. What would the value of σ have to be to ensure that 95% of all readings are within 0.1 degree of σ?

The Attempt at a Solution



I looked up the solution and found the first step as P(-1.96 < x < 1.96) = 95%. This doesn't even make sense. Values of 1.96 on the normal distribution chart represent 0.975, or 97.5%. Can someone explain why I'm using these values?
 
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cdotter said:

Homework Statement


The temperature reading from a thermocouple placed in a constant-temperature medium is normally distributed with a mean μ, the actual temperature of the medium, and standard deviation σ. What would the value of σ have to be to ensure that 95% of all readings are within 0.1 degree of σ?

The Attempt at a Solution



I looked up the solution and found the first step as P(-1.96 < x < 1.96) = 95%. This doesn't even make sense. Values of 1.96 on the normal distribution chart represent 0.975, or 97.5%. Can someone explain why I'm using these values?

The normal distribution chart is for sigma=1. How do you modify P to account for a sigma that's not equal to 1?
 
Dick said:
The normal distribution chart is for sigma=1. How do you modify P to account for a sigma that's not equal to 1?

I know how to standardize for nonstandard normal distributions (Z=(X-μ)/σ). I don't see how it helps, or am I missing something really simple?
 
cdotter said:
I know how to standardize for nonstandard normal distributions (Z=(X-μ)/σ). I don't see how it helps, or am I missing something really simple?

Z is the variable in the normal distribution chart. You don't want to make a different chart for every different value of mu and sigma, do you? So the chart is telling you P(-1.96 < Z < 1.96) = 95%. Put Z=(X-mu)/sigma into that. You want |X-mu|<0.1, yes?
 
Dick said:
Z is the variable in the normal distribution chart. You don't want to make a different chart for every different value of mu and sigma, do you? So the chart is telling you P(-1.96 < Z < 1.96) = 95%. Put Z=(X-mu)/sigma into that. You want |X-mu|<0.1, yes?

Yes, I get that part. I'm confused about the 1.96 part. I only have a standard normal distribution chart to work from. I want to know how P(-1.96 < Z < 1.96) = 95% because on a standard normal distribution chart, those values give 97.5%. How did they get it to equal 95%? None of the solutions I've found state how, they just say "P(-1.96 < Z < 1.96) = .95"
 
cdotter said:
Yes, I get that part. I'm confused about the 1.96 part. I only have a standard normal distribution chart to work from. I want to know how P(-1.96 < Z < 1.96) = 95% because on a standard normal distribution chart, those values give 97.5%. How did they get it to equal 95%? None of the solutions I've found state how, they just say "P(-1.96 < Z < 1.96) = .95"

Ohhh, ok, I get it now. I think you are looking at a cumulative distribution chart. It's giving you P(-infinity < Z < 1.96). Not P(-1.96 < Z < 1.96). Find a different chart or adjust the number you've got. What does the chart give for 0? If it's 0.5 then it's cumulative.
 
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Dick said:
Ohhh, ok, I get it now. I think you are looking at a cumulative distribution chart. It's giving you P(-infinity < Z < 1.96). Not P(-1.96 < Z < 1.96). Find a different chart or adjust the number you've got. What does the chart give for 0? If it's 0.5 then it's cumulative.

It gives 0.5. How could I adjust the number? I glanced over the chapter again and it doesn't say anything about what to do in such a case, and it doesn't mention any other charts to use for the problem. Kind of ridiculous on the author's behalf.
 
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cdotter said:
It gives 0.5. How could I adjust the number? I glanced over the chapter again and it doesn't say anything about what to do in such a case, and it doesn't mention any other charts to use for the problem. Kind of ridiculous and the author's behalf.

The cumulative distribution of a probability density function f(x) is defined as

F(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{x} dt f(t)

You want the integral

I = \int_a^b dt f(t)

You can relate this to the cumulative function using the property of integrals

\int_a^b dt f(t) = \int_a^c dt f(t) + \int_c^b dt f(t)
which holds for any c as long as f(t) is continuous on the integral regions.

This gives

I = \int_a^{-\infty}dt f(t) + \int_{-\infty}^b dt f(t) = -F(a) + F(b)

Or, intuitively speaking: the cumulative function F(b) is just the area under f(t) from -\infty up to the value b. You want from a to b, so you just need to subtract the area from -\infty up to a, which is F(a).
 
Thank you Dick and Mute.
 

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