Sterling Approximation for Einstein Solid Multiplicity

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Stirling approximation for the multiplicity of an Einstein solid, specifically under the condition where q (energy quanta) is much larger than N (number of particles). Participants suggest factoring out the larger variable and using logarithmic expansions to simplify the expression. There is mention of the importance of factorials in Stirling's approximation and the need to explore cases where N is greater than q. One user plans to consult their professor for further clarification on the topic. The conversation emphasizes the mathematical techniques necessary for handling these approximations in statistical mechanics.
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How does the following expand;

(q + N )*ln(q +N)

I'm Trying to arrive at sterling approximation for the multiplicity for einstein solid where q>>N. Any tips appreciated.

Thanks
 
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factor out the bigger of the two

q(1 + \frac{N}{q} \ln q(1 + \frac{N}{q})

i gues you could 'expand it using the log expansion
ln (1+x) = x - \frac{1}{2} x^2 + \frac{1}{3} x^3 - ...
 
Thanks,

I'm going to have to see my prof. on this one. I'll let you know how it works out if you'd like.
 
I guess N stands for the number of particles (phonons), so it should be the "bigger" one. I also think that Stirling's approximation involves factorials.


Daniel.
 
For my next exercise I'm to derive the case where N >> q. In these simple idealized cases of 2 solids interacting. So big q is high temp case- I think.
I've already used the sterling approximation to get the factorials out of the equation and now I'm just hashing it into best form.

many thanks.
 
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