Stoichiometry: Identify the metal and formula of it

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The discussion focuses on identifying a lanthanide metal from a reaction with HCl, resulting in a product mass of 0.427g from a 0.250g sample. Participants clarify that the reaction can be simplified to M + nHCl → MCln without needing to include hydrogen gas in the equation for stoichiometric calculations. The consensus identifies samarium (Sm) as the metal, leading to the formula SmCl3 for the compound formed. The importance of focusing on the stoichiometric relationship rather than extraneous details is emphasized. Overall, the key takeaway is that the reaction simplifies to identifying samarium and its corresponding chloride formula.
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All of the lanthanide metals (La through Lu) react with HCL to form compounds having eithe the formula MCl2, MCl3, MCl4, (where M represents the metallic element). Each metal forms a single compound. A chemist has a 0.250g sample of a lanthanide metal, and she wishes to identify the metal. She reacts the metal with excess HCl and obtains 0.427g of the product. Based on this information, identify the metal and write the chemical formula of the product.

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I'm not sure the below equation is correct. I originally wrote the equation without the H2, but it did not seem to be right with conservation of mass.
M + HCL —> MCl2 (or MCl3, MCl4) + H2
Basically, if the H2 does belong there, then I'd just have to guess MCl2, 3, or 4, then balance the equation, then randomly guess an element right? Seems like a lot of work.
 
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Sho Kano said:
and obtains 0.427g of the product.
Sho Kano said:
2, 3, or 4, then balance
 
I can't see anything on your post
 
MCln is all you need; ignore the H2, and just start cutting and trying.
 
Bystander said:
MCln is all you need; ignore the H2, and just start cutting and trying.
I'm getting Sm as the unknown metal; is that right?
 
Samarium? Mental arithmetic checks out.
 
Bystander said:
Samarium? Mental arithmetic checks out.
Awesome. What happens to the hydrogen though?
 
Sho Kano said:
What happens to the hydrogen though?
It "fizzes" away up the chimney/hood/exhaust system.
 
Bystander said:
It "fizzes" away up the chimney/hood/exhaust system.
I mean why is it not represented in the chemical equation
 
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"M" + nHCl = (n/2)H2 + "M"Cln; it is.
 
  • #11
Hydrogen is present in the reaction equation and we can even easily calculate its amount. We just ignore it as it is not necessary for solving the problem (just like the amount of HCl doesn't matter, as long as there is enough of it).

The only part of the equation that matters is

Sm → SmCl3

It preserves the only important information here - stoichiometric ratio between Sm and SmCl3. When solving this particular problem everything else is just a noise.
 
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