Strategies for kinematics of a four-body decay?

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The discussion revolves around strategies for analyzing the kinematics of a four-body decay, particularly in the context of particle physics. Participants explore various methods for calculating decay properties, including both analytic and numerical approaches, and consider the implications of different final states, such as four leptons or neutrinos.

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  • One participant inquires about alternative strategies for kinematics in four-body decays, suggesting a preference for working in energies over invariants and referencing a specific preprint.
  • Another participant notes that experimental analyses often focus on the invariant masses of two or three particles, especially in the presence of resonances, and mentions the degrees of freedom involved in the decay.
  • A participant describes their experience calculating the partial width for a pseudoscalar decaying into four leptons or neutrinos, highlighting issues with integrable divergences and the need for coordinate changes to manage these divergences during integration.
  • This participant also seeks guides similar to the PDG's Kinematics for various decay scenarios, emphasizing the importance of choosing appropriate invariants for analytic integration and addressing boundary-related problems.
  • One participant expresses a lack of knowledge regarding the theoretical aspects of the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on specific strategies or methods for four-body decay kinematics, and multiple competing views and approaches are presented throughout the discussion.

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Participants mention limitations related to the initial spin of the decaying particle and the challenges posed by divergences in integrals, which may depend on the chosen coordinate systems and invariants.

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Does anyone have suggestions on the strategies for a four-body decay's kinematics? I'm just wondering what is out there. Last time I had to calculate something I just did it straightforward, but I know there must be other methods. (Like preferring to work in energies over invariants). I usually base it off of

preprint : http://ccdb5fs.kek.jp/cgi-bin/img/allpdf?198311072

But are there new strategies? Say for a four-lepton final state.

Thanks

edit: I should also add, that if you prefer analytic solutions there must be preferred methods. Numerically it probably doesn't matter due to the cuts being easy to implement.
 
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Strategies for what?

Experimentally, I think most analyses look at the invariant masses of 2 or sometimes 3 particles, especially if you expect resonances. There are 5 degrees of freedom in the decay, at least if we can ignore or do not know the initial spin of the decaying particle.
 
So assume a decaying pseudoscalar to 4 leptons (or neutrinos), and you want to calculate the partial width. I have calculated this before, and basically you get integrable divergences when you try to integrate (due to the denominator's energies) that can be removed by changes of coordinates of the invariants. This is seen in the preprint I posted, but the same paper is here if you have access http://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.29.2027

On page 29, the replacements (3.6) are needed to be able to easily do the integral, this is because the denominator is divergent at the integration boundaries.

I guess I'm asking if there are any guides like the PDG's Kinematics, on different situations (2 massive, 2 massless; 4 massive; 4 massless; 2 resonances decaying; 0 resonances) etc. Each case has a scheme of invariants that are beneficial for the analytic integration, and problems that occur, mainly due to the boundaries.

When doing loop integrals there are a lot of guides for controlling your infrared and collinear divergences by looking at the matrices of coefficients of the feynman parameters, and doing certain situations differently. I was looking for something similar for kinematics.

Thank you.
 
No idea about the theoretical side, sorry.
 

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