Stream function/velocity potential in fluid mechanics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the treatment of arbitrary constants in the context of stream functions and velocity potentials in fluid mechanics. Participants explore the implications of these constants when deriving velocity fields and their significance in practical applications, such as plotting streamlines and equipotential lines.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the arbitrary constant ##C## can be ignored when calculating velocity fields because it does not affect the spatial derivatives that define the velocity.
  • Others argue that while the constant may not impact the velocity field, it holds significance when considering the actual values of the stream function or velocity potential for plotting purposes.
  • A participant explains that the general solution to the differential equations is sufficient, and the specific value of the constant is not necessary for deriving velocities.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that defining the stream function to be zero at a specific point can provide a meaningful physical interpretation, particularly in relation to volumetric flow rates in a tube.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the arbitrary constant ##C##. While there is some consensus that it does not affect the velocity field, there is no agreement on its importance in other contexts, such as plotting or physical interpretation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions and the context in which the stream function and velocity potential are applied. The implications of setting the constant to zero or another value are not fully resolved, indicating a need for clarity in specific applications.

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Hi! When you are calculating ##\psi## or ##\phi## from the horizontal or vertical velocity components of a fluid's velocity, you end up with a constant ##C## carried along with the function. In my class, the professor just said something about them being arbitrary (I think..) and set them to zero.

Could somebody please explain to me exactly WHY we can just ignore them? Just a random guess: Does it have something to do with us being able to define origo of our coordinate systems anywhere we like, including at a point which makes ##C=0##?
 
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If I understand your question, since the velocity field is set by spatial derivatives of the stream function, the 'arbitrary constant' doesn't affect the velocity field and so can be ignored.
 
so because it's only the velocity field which has real-world applications, the constants can be ignored?
 
Not really. Think about how the stream function and velocity potential are related to the velocity in a two-dimensional flow:
u = \dfrac{\partial \phi}{\partial x} = \dfrac{\partial \psi}{\partial y}
v = \dfrac{\partial \phi}{\partial y} = -\dfrac{\partial \psi}{\partial x}
If you have something along the lines of \phi = f(x,y) + C or \psi = g(x,y) + C, then when you take its derivative and extract a velocity, the constant C falls out anyway. In that sense, the constant is arbitrary and doesn't matter. You only need the general solution to the differential equation, not the specific solution for a given set of boundary conditions.

If instead you are looking at the value of \psi or \phi directly (for instance, for plotting streamlines or equipotential lines), then the constant does mean something. In that case, if you look in a 2D plane, setting an actual value for C and holding it constant while you vary the other parameters in your equations f(x,y) and g(x,y), the resulting paths will trace out the equipotential lines and streamlines in the (x,y)-plane for f and g respectively.

For example, if you want to plot the stagnation streamline on a body in potential flow, you would use some point that you know on that streamline (typically the stagnation point itself) and use its coordinates in your function g(x,y) to find the value of the constant. Then, in varying one coordinate to find the other, you will trace out the stagnation streamline. Or you could just pick random values of the constant to map out random streamlines to your heart's content.
 
Sometimes the stream function is defined such that it bears a specific physical relationship to the volumetric flow rate. For example, if you have flow in a tube, the stream function can be taken to be zero at the centerline, and equal quantitatively to the axial volumetric flow rate between the centerline and an arbitrary stream surface at radial location r: ψ=ψ(r). If the constant were chosen other than zero (such that the stream function were not zero at the centerline), then ψ(r) would not be the volumetric flow rate between r = 0 and arbitrary r. The volumetric flow rate would in this case would then be ψ(r)-ψ(0). Often it is convenient to define a certain stream surface as ψ=0 so that the stream function on any stream surface quantitatively represents the volumetic flow rate between the stream surfaces.
 

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