Sum of forces, vacuum and gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the theoretical understanding of forces acting on a vacuum object placed in a liquid disk, particularly focusing on buoyancy and the implications for the center of gravity within the system. The scope includes conceptual reasoning about force balance and the behavior of fluids in response to the presence of the vacuum object.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the sum of forces can be zero when a vacuum object is placed in a liquid disk, emphasizing the lack of external walls and the role of buoyancy.
  • Another participant confirms the relevance of buoyancy in the context of the vacuum bubble.
  • It is proposed that the center of gravity of the entire system will not change despite the movement of the vacuum object and the surrounding fluid.
  • A participant suggests that even though the vacuum object has no weight, its movement could still affect the center of gravity, prompting further exploration of this idea.
  • Another participant argues that the fluid's mass ensures that the center of mass remains unchanged, regardless of the vacuum bubble's movement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the movement of the vacuum object affects the center of gravity, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the implications of buoyancy and fluid dynamics.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the behavior of fluids and the definition of center of gravity that are not fully explored, particularly in relation to the movement of the vacuum object and the fluid's response.

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It's a theoretical study. I would like to understand how the sum of forces can be at 0 if I put an object (vacuum in it) in a big liquid disk (disk is fulled with liquid), the disk is big enough for agglomerate liquid (like this works with a planet, matter is agglomarate with gravity). There is no external circular wall for disk ! it's very important. I attach the vacuum object with something external at disk (black color). The vacuum object has an extenral force give by liquid, force of buoyancy, this force is transmited to black object. I study the sum of forces on all the system (vacuum object+disk+black object). What's compensate this force ? How liquid can compensate this force ? And if liquid compensate the force, this would say if I put a bubble in water the bubble go to one direction and water go to the contrary direction, this would change the center of gravity.
 

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yes, the force of buoyancy
 
Gh778 said:
And if liquid compensate the force, this would say if I put a bubble in water the bubble go to one direction and water go to the contrary direction, this would change the center of gravity.
Center of gravity of the whole system will not move. Fluid will move one way, the vacuum box and whatever is attached to it will move the other way.
 
So, if you're right: imagine a fluid disk (or a sphere) without black solid. I put vacuum object in water, this don't change the CG. After, I let the bubble move, this move water in one direction and vacuum object in other direction, but the vacuum object has no weight, this move the CG ?
 
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Even if your vacuum bubble has no mass, the fluid has. The vacuum bubble will move outwards, and the center of the fluid will be exactly at the position where the initial center of mass was. While the fluid moves around your bubble, the remaining fluid will move, too.
 

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