Summing Geometric Sequences am i doing this right?

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The discussion revolves around summing a specific geometric sequence involving powers of 2 and 3. The original poster is attempting to apply a formula for geometric sequences to a problem that includes terms with varying powers and coefficients.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster outlines their understanding of the geometric series formula and attempts to apply it to a complex sequence. They express uncertainty about identifying the ratio and the mythical next term. Other participants provide feedback on the ratio and suggest corrections to the original poster's approach.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering clarifications and corrections. The original poster is testing their formula against specific values of n and is encouraged to verify their results. There is a recognition of misunderstandings regarding the sequence structure and the application of the formula.

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The original poster is required to use a specific formula as taught in class, which may impose constraints on how they approach the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of terms and ratios within the sequence.

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We learned in class how to find the sum of any geometric sequence with the following formula:

Let x = Sum Of Geometric Sequence;

x = [Take mythical next term - real term]/(ratio - 1);

The real term is the first term of the sequence and the mythical next term would be the next term for example after this sequence:

ex:
1+2+2^2+2^3 +...+2^n = ?

first term is : 1
mythical next term is: 2^(n+1)
ratio: 2
when I say ratio I mean what you multiply each term to get to the next and you can see its 2 here.

x = [2^(n+1)-1]/(2-1)

So that would be the formula to sum up the sequence...so that one was easy but this is the one that i don't understand:


2^n + 2^(n-1) x 3 + 2^(n-2) x 3^2 + 2^(n-3) x 3^3 + ... + 2^3 x 3^(n-3)


I don't know if I'm getting the ratio right or not...
I see each term is getting multiplied by 3, the first term is just 3^0 = 1, then 3^1, 3^2...

I see n is being decremented by 1 each time and its a power of 2, so would that be: 1/2^n

So the ratio i figured out is: 3/2^n

Now the mythical next term I got is: 2^4 x 3^(n-4)
or do i not mess with the 2^3? and leave it as 2^3 x 3^(n-4) ?

The 1st real term is: 2^n

So here is the formula i come out with:

Sum of geometric sequence = [ [2^4 x 3^(n-4)] - 2^n ]/[(3/2^n)-1]

I'm testing for n = 3, n = 4, and n = 5 to see if itss right...
for n = 3
2^3 + 2^2 x 3 + 2 x 3^2 = 38

now if i plug 3 into the formula:
[2^4 x 3^(-1) - 2^3 ] / (3/(2^3) - 1) = 64/15 which isn't 38...

Do you see what I'm doing wrong? I think I'm screwing up on the ratio and the mythical next term, the next term in the sequence, any help would be great. I have to do it the way the professor showed us with that general formula:

Let x = Sum Of Geometric Sequence;

x = [Take mythical next term - real term]/(ratio - 1);


Thanks!
 
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The ratio is just 3/2, not 3/2^n. Multiply the last term by this ratio to get the "mythical next term."
 
Thanks for the replyoh, multiplying by the ratio would make sense :bugeye:

Okay now i have as the last term: 4/9 x 3^n as the next term
and ratio: 3/2

x = [ (4/9) x 3^n - 2^n ]/[(3/2) - 1]

if i plug in n = 3, i get x = 8

if i go back to the sequence and add up the first 3 terms, after letting n = 3, i get the following:

2^3 + 2^(2) x 3 + 2 x 3^2 = 38

Is this not how you check to see if the formula is correct or not? If i let n = 3 in the formula, it should sum the first 3 terms right?
 
No, the power of 2 runs from n down to 3, so for n=3 there is only one term, 2^3=8.
 
yep that works! thanks!

I think i get what your saying, so if I wanted to check for n = 4, i would just add up
2^4 + 2^(4-1) = 20

and 5 i would add up the first 3 terms with n = 5 right?
 
Well that sum isn't right: it's missing the 3's, and 2^4+2^3=16+8=24. What you said about the number of terms is right, but why don't you just check the new formula you found to see if it works?
 
alroight now i get it! hah sorry I'm coming down from a cafine overdose i think.
 

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