Summing i*r^(i-1) from i=1 to i=n

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical identity involving the expression i*r^i - (i-1)*r^(i-1) and its application to find the sum of i*r^(i-1) from i=1 to i=n. The subject area is primarily focused on algebra and series, particularly geometric series and their derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the identity for specific values of i, particularly i=1. There are suggestions to differentiate the geometric series to find the sum, and some participants question the necessity of using the provided identity. Others propose summing both sides of the expression to derive the desired sum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the identity and its implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of geometric series and differentiation, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of constraints regarding the level of mathematics being discussed, with some participants noting that the problem may not fit neatly within pre-calculus boundaries. The original poster expresses a requirement to use the given identity despite its potential issues.

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I wanted to post this in the homework forum, but there's only pre-calc for math.

Question: Show that i*r^i-(i-1)*r^(i-1) = r^(i-1)-(1-r)i*r^i-1. Use this result to find the sum of i*r^(i-1) from i=1 to i=n.

I've done the first part of this question, but need some help with the second. Thanks!
 
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This identity isn't valid for i=1, check it.
 
mathvision said:
I wanted to post this in the homework forum, but there's only pre-calc for math.

Question: Show that i*r^i-(i-1)*r^(i-1) = r^(i-1)-(1-r)i*r^i-1. Use this result to find the sum of i*r^(i-1) from i=1 to i=n.

I've done the first part of this question, but need some help with the second. Thanks!
Do you mean "i*r^i-(i-1)*r^(i-1) = r^(i-1)-(1-r)i*r^(i-1)"? Otherwise, as MathematicalPhysicist said, it is not true for i= 1.

In any case, I would not use that. Are you required to?

I would note that \sum_{i=1}^n r^i is a geometric sum and that \sum_{i= 1}^n i r^{i-1} is its derivative with respect to r.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Do you mean "i*r^i-(i-1)*r^(i-1) = r^(i-1)-(1-r)i*r^(i-1)"? Otherwise, as MathematicalPhysicist said, it is not true for i= 1.

In any case, I would not use that. Are you required to?

I would note that \sum_{i=1}^n r^i is a geometric sum and that \sum_{i= 1}^n i r^{i-1} is its derivative with respect to r.

Yes it was a typo. And yes I'm required to use that result! :rolleyes:
 
mathvision said:
I wanted to post this in the homework forum, but there's only pre-calc for math.

Question: Show that
i r^i - (i-1)r^{i-1} = r^{i-1} - (1-r)i r^{i-1}

Use this result to find the sum of i r^{i-1} from i=1 to i=n.

I've done the first part of this question, but need some help with the second. Thanks!

Hi mathvision, I've edited that for you.

If this isn't pre-calc then just differentiating the geometric series as Halls suggests is the best way to do it.

If this is pre-calc and you need to do it without using calculus then you can do the following. Sum both sides of your above expression and notice that the RHS is the sum of (r-1) times the sum you are trying to find, plus a simple geometric series. Also, the left hand side completely "telescopes", leaving just the first and last terms. Basically then you can just rearrange this to get an expression for the part you are interested in.
 

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