Summing Waves Using Complex Notation

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The problem involves the addition of two waves represented in complex notation, specifically Ψ=Ψ1+Ψ2, where Ψ1 is a sine function and Ψ2 is a cosine function. The task includes rewriting the sine function using a phase shift and interpreting the resultant wave function.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to rewrite Ψ1 using a phase shift and applies relevant equations for sine and cosine in complex form. They express uncertainty about manipulating the resulting expression and whether it is valid to introduce factors like 2i in their simplification.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's approach, suggesting clarifications regarding the manipulation of complex terms. There is an indication that the original poster has made progress in understanding the problem, but uncertainty remains about specific algebraic steps.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes a hint about rewriting sine as cosine with a phase shift and explores the implications of complex representations in wave addition. There is a focus on ensuring the mathematical operations are valid within the context of complex numbers.

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Homework Statement



Carry out the addition of two waves Ψ=Ψ12 where
Ψ1 = Asin[(k+δk)x - (w+δw)t]
Ψ2 = Acos[(k-δk)x - (w-δw)t]
by means of the complex-number representation and interpret the result.
(Hint: You may find it convenient to rewrite the sine as a cosine by introducing a phase shift in the argument.


Homework Equations



Re{e (iΘ) } = cos Θ = [e (iΘ) + e (-iΘ) ]/2
Im{e (iΘ) } = sin Θ = [e (iΘ) - e (-iΘ) ]/(2i)

The Attempt at a Solution



I rewrote Ψ1 using a Pi/2 as a phase shift. So I got

Ψ1 = Acos[(k+δk)x - (w+δw)t + (Pi/2)]

Then I applied the above relevant equation for cosine being the real part of the complex equation to get
Ψ1 = A Re{e i[(k+δk)x - (w+δw)t + (Pi/2)] }
Ψ2 = A Re{e i[(k-δk)x - (w-δw)t] }

So summing yields:

Ψ12 = A Re{ei[(k+δk)x - (w+δw)t + (Pi/2)] + ei[(k-δk)x - (w-δw)t] }

Pulling out the like terms of eikx and e-iwt yields:

Ψ = A Re { [e i[δkx - δwt + Pi/2] + e-i[δkx - δwt] * ei(kx-wt) }

"Simplifiying" yields:

Ψ = A Re { [eiPi/2 * ei[δkx - δwt]+ e-i[δkx - δwt]] * ei(kx-wt) }

So we have

Ψ = A Re { [-e i[δkx - δwt] + e -i[δkx - δwt] ] * e i(kx-wt) }

Now I'm not sure what to do with the part in the bolded brackets. I could call it 2i Sin (δkx - δwt) which would be an imaginary part, so taking the real value of an imaginary part yields 0. Which would physically mean that my waves would destructively interfere, but I'm not sure that I can stick the 2i in like that. I wouldn't have a problem putting a 2 in, but I'm not sure if it's okay to multiply by i, or if I need to have the i already there.

Thanks for wading through all this algebra with me!
 
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Hi cpmiller! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
cpmiller said:
Ψ = A Re { [-e^i[δkx - δwt] + e^-i[δkx - δwt] ] * e^i(kx-wt) }

Now I'm not sure what to do with the part in the bolded brackets. I could call it 2i Sin (δkx - δwt) which would be an imaginary part, so taking the real value of an imaginary part yields 0. …

No, Re {[iB] ei(kx-wt)} ≠ Re {[iB]} Re {ei(kx-wt)} :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi cpmiller! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)


Thanks for the response:smile: I went back and used your suggestion to try to make my original post a bit more "user friendly." Your answer helped a lot and I managed to figure the problem out this morning!
 
cpmiller said:
Thanks for the response:smile: I went back and used your suggestion to try to make my original post a bit more "user friendly." Your answer helped a lot and I managed to figure the problem out this morning!

ooh, that's neat! :-p

Please accept this present of a pi and an omega for future efforts: π ω :wink:
 

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