Supose that G is a finite abelian group that does not contain a subgro

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The discussion revolves around properties of finite abelian groups, particularly focusing on the conditions under which such groups contain subgroups isomorphic to \(\mathbb{Z}_p \times \mathbb{Z}_p\). Participants are exploring the implications of group order and structure, as well as the relationships between elements of the group.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of assuming \(G\) is not cyclic and consider elements of maximal order. They question how to construct a subgroup isomorphic to \(\mathbb{Z}_p \times \mathbb{Z}_p\) based on the orders of elements. There are inquiries about proving \(G\) is cyclic under certain conditions related to prime factorization. Some participants express uncertainty about proving cyclicity with the given data and reference the fundamental theorem of abelian groups.

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let us assume G is not cyclic. Let a be an element of G of maximal order. Since G is not cyclic we have <a>≠G. Let b be an element in G, but not in the cyclic subgroup generated by a.

O(a) = m and O(b) = n where O() refers tothe orders. . then how can we use this to construct a subgroup of G isomorphic to Zp×Zp?

Help will be appreciated. Thank you
 

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vish_maths said:
let us assume G is not cyclic. Let a be an element of G of maximal order. Since G is not cyclic we have <a>≠G. Let b be an element in G, but not in the cyclic subgroup generated by a.

O(a) = m and O(b) = n where O() refers tothe orders. . then how can we use this to construct a subgroup of G isomorphic to Zp×Zp?

Help will be appreciated. Thank you

Can you prove that if the prime factorization of |G| is ##p_1 p_2 p_3...p_n## and all of the primes ##p_i## are different, then G is cyclic? If two are the same, then what?
 
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If |G| =p1p2...pn and all of the primes are different, then |H| will be one of those primes. Since a group of prime order is cyclic, then H will be cyclic in that case . In fact all proper subgroups of G will be cyclic.
but i am not sure how to prove G as cyclic with this data..
 
vish_maths said:
If |G| =p1p2...pn and all of the primes are different, then |H| will be one of those primes. Since a group of prime order is cyclic, then H will be cyclic in that case . In fact all proper subgroups of G will be cyclic.
but i am not sure how to prove G as cyclic with this data..

What does the fundamental theorem of Abelian groups tell you?
 
the book which i am reading ( GAllian ) has not introduced this topic as of yet. In fact, not even normal and factor groups. i am on the chapter on external direct products.
 
vish_maths said:
the book which i am reading ( GAllian ) has not introduced this topic as of yet. In fact, not even normal and factor groups. i am on the chapter on external direct products.

Where exactly in Gallian is this?
 
Supplementary exercise for chapters 5 - 8 . Question no. 50 . Gallian 7/e contemporary guide to abstract algebra
 
and pg. no 50
 
OK. So let ##G## be finite abelian group such that ##G## does not contain a subgroup isomorphic to ##\mathbb{Z}_p\times \mathbb{Z}_p## for any prime. Consider the prime factorization ##|G|= p_1^{a_1} ... p_k^{a_k}:= p_1^{a_1}m##.

Define ##H = \{x\in G~\vert~\text{order of}~H~\text{divides}~p_1^{a_1}\}## and ##K = \{x\in G~\vert~\text{order of}~K~\text{divides}~m\}##.

Start by proving the following:
1) ##H## and ##K## are subgroups of ##G##.
2) For any ##x\in G## and integers ##s## and ##t##, we have ##x^{sp^k}\in H## and ##x^{tm}\in K##. Deduce that ##G=HK##.
3) Show that ##H\cap K = \{e\}##.
4) Find ##|H|## and ##|K|##.
5) Prove that ##H## is cyclic.
6) Prove that ##G## is the product of cyclic groups
7) Prove the result.
 
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OK. So let ##G## be finite abelian group such that ##G## does not contain a subgroup isomorphic to ##\mathbb{Z}_p\times \mathbb{Z}_p## for any prime. Consider the prime factorization ##|G|= p_1^{a_1} ... p_k^{a_k}:= p_1^{a_1}m##.

Define ##H = \{x\in G~\vert~\text{order of}~H~\text{divides}~p_1^{a_1}\}## and ##K = \{x\in G~\vert~\text{order of}~K~\text{divides}~m\}##.

Start by proving the following:
1) ##H## and ##K## are subgroups of ##G##.
2) For any ##x\in G## and integers ##s## and ##t##, we have ##x^{sp^k}\in H## and ##x^{tm}\in K##. Deduce that ##G=HK##.
3) Show that ##H\cap K = \{e\}##.
4) Find ##|H|## and ##|K|##.
5) Prove that ##H## is cyclic.
6) Prove that ##G## is the product of cyclic groups
7) Prove the result.

Your definition of K doesn't make much sense. I assume you mean ##K = \{x\in G~\vert~\text{order of}~x~\text{divides}~m\}##.
 
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Dick said:
Your definition of K doesn't make much sense. I assume you mean ##K = \{x\in G~\vert~\text{order of}~x~\text{divides}~m\}##.

Yes, sorry!
 

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