Supporting 1100kg Steel Beam w/ 6200N Ropes

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The problem involves a 1100 kg steel beam supported by two ropes, each with a maximum tension of 6200 N. The ropes are positioned at angles of 20 degrees and 30 degrees from the vertical, respectively. The discussion centers around the equilibrium of forces acting on the beam.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equilibrium equations for the forces in both the x and y directions. There are attempts to express the relationship between the tensions in the ropes and the weight of the beam. Some participants question the application of trigonometric functions in their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen participants providing feedback on each other's calculations, particularly regarding the correct use of trigonometric functions. There is recognition of a mistake in one participant's approach, which has led to a productive correction.

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Participants are working under the constraints of maximum tension limits for the ropes and the requirement to maintain equilibrium for the beam. There is an emphasis on ensuring all forces are accounted for correctly in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A 1100 kg steel beam is supported by two ropes. Each rope has a maximum sustained tension of 6200 N.

Then it shows a diagram of two ropes holding a steal beam at the center, both are angled out. The rope on the left is angled away at 20 deg from y axis. The rope on the right is angled 30 deg from y axis.


Homework Equations


Fnet = ma


The Attempt at a Solution


So basically I used substitution...
R1 = rope 1 (left)
R2 = rope 2 (right)
E = summation
F = Force

E(Fx) = MAx = 0

R2*sin(30) - R1*sin(20) = 0
R2*sin(30) = R1*sin(20)
R2 = R1*[sin(20)/sin(30)]

Plug that into sum of forces in y direction...

E(Fy) = MAy = 0

R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) - Mg = 0
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) = Mg = 10791 N
plug in R2...
R1*[cos(20) + sin(20)/sin(30)] = 10791
R1 = 6645.96 N

Now I did it like this.. plugged that back into the original and got 4546.11 N for R2. However it was wrong. So I thought okay since the max tension is supposedly 6200 I'll use that as R1 and got 4241.05 for R2. Wrong again. Any ideas?
 
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spin360 said:
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) - Mg = 0
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) = Mg = 10791 N
plug in R2...
R1*[cos(20) + sin(20)/sin(30)] = 10791
R1 = 6645.96 N
Redo your plugging in of R2; looks like you dropped the cos(30).
 
Doc Al said:
Redo your plugging in of R2; looks like you dropped the cos(30).

Not sure where you're getting the cos... both are sine since the x vector is opposite of the angle.. making it sine. Right?
 
The cosine you dropped is the one right here:
spin360 said:
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) - Mg = 0
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) = Mg = 10791 N
 
oh wow what a stupid mistake, thanks! it works now
 

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