Sure way to convert variable integral to infinite integral?

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of a variable integral of the form ##F(x) = \int_{a}^{x}f(s)ds## into an infinite integral representation, specifically ##F(x) = \int_{0}^{\infty}f(g(u),x)du##. Participants explore potential methods, change of variables, and specific functions that may facilitate this conversion, with a focus on conditions such as differentiability and invertibility.

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  • Some participants propose that a change of variables could allow for the transformation of the integral, potentially under certain assumptions about the function involved.
  • One participant suggests a specific form of integral involving a theta function, questioning how to deduce the properties of this function.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about simply multiplying the function by zero over a bound, emphasizing the need for a legitimate change of variables.
  • A participant recalls using substitutions in Beta-like integrals that change the bounds from ##0 \rightarrow x## to ##0 \rightarrow 1##, suggesting a similar approach might work for infinite bounds.
  • One participant presents a transformation involving the tangent function, noting the need to investigate potential divergence issues.
  • Another participant mentions the use of the hyperbolic tangent function as a common method for mapping an infinite range to a finite range.
  • For completeness, a formula is provided that expresses the original integral in terms of a new variable, incorporating the hyperbolic tangent transformation.

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Participants express a variety of viewpoints on the feasibility of transforming the integral, with no consensus reached on a definitive method or approach. Some ideas are explored further, while others remain contested or uncertain.

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Participants note the importance of conditions such as differentiability and the behavior of functions at infinity, but these aspects remain unresolved within the discussion.

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Sometimes I would like to transform an integral ##F(x) = \int_{a}^{x}f(s)ds## into an infinite integral of the form ##F(x) = \int_{0}^{\infty}f(g(u),x)du##. Is there some kind of change of variables that can guarantee this conversion on the boundaries and still give me a function of ##x##, at least with some assumptions like differentiable or invertibility? Or are there maybe certain classes of functions for which this would work like it exists on ##(0,\infty)##?
 
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How about
[tex]\int_0^\infty f(u+a)[1-\theta(u-x+a)]du[/tex]
where ##\theta(x)## = 0 for x<0, 1 for x>0 ?
 
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That looks interesting, but is there a method to deduce ##\theta##?
 
Wait, are you saying that you just multiply the function by 0 over a certain bound and take it to infinity? I don't know if that quite works because I am looking for is a change of variables and it doesn't quite make sense to change a general integrable function to a constant. But for instance, it is reasonable to make a change of variables that might change an integral to something like the integral for the gamma function.
 
I am pretty sure it works or not depends on what you want to do after conversion. Tell me your investigation on your problem if you please.
 
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I am pretty sure it works or not depends on what you want to do after conversion. Tell me your investigation on your problem if you please.
I recall playing around with Beta-like integrals and there was a substitution I could make for ##y(x) = \int_{0}^{x}(f(x,s)ds); s \rightarrow \frac{u}{x}## that changed the bound from ##0 \rightarrow x## to ##0 \rightarrow 1## which then allowed me to satisfy the definition of the beta function. I feel like a similar thing should be possible but with an infinite bound, that there should be some guaranteed way to make a bound go from 0 to infinity.
 
[tex]y(x)=\int_0^x f(x,s)ds[/tex]
[tex]u= tan \frac{\pi s}{2x}[/tex]
[tex]s=\frac{2x}{\pi} tan^{-1}u[/tex]
[tex]y(x)=\frac{2x}{\pi} \int_0^\infty f(x,\frac{2x}{\pi} tan^{-1}u)\frac{d\tan^{-1}u}{du}du[/tex]
Though divergence at u=0 should be investigated, it might be a kind of your line of transformation.
 
That seems like a good idea. So more generally, an invertible function which maps 0 to 0 and has a horizontal asymptote as ##x \rightarrow \infty##.
 
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[itex][0, \infty) \to [0, 1) : x \mapsto \tanh(x)[/itex] is the usual choice for turning an infinite reange into a finite range.
 
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For completeness: [tex] \int_a^x f(s)\,ds = \int_0^\infty f\left(a + (x - a)\tanh t\right)\frac{(x - a)}{\cosh^2 t}\,dt.[/tex]
 
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