Surface Charge Concept: Why Charges Move to Outer Surface

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of electric charges in conductors, specifically why charges of the same sign move to the outer surface of a conductor rather than remaining on an inner surface, even when the inner surface has a larger area. The scope includes conceptual understanding and reasoning related to electrostatics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that charges repel each other and will attempt to maximize their distance, leading to the conclusion that they should move to the outer surface of a conductor.
  • Another participant suggests that if charges were on the inner surface, they would be closer together, which supports the idea of charges moving to the outer surface.
  • A different viewpoint questions the logic of this behavior and emphasizes the importance of considering electric potential and electric fields in the explanation.
  • One participant acknowledges a lack of clarity in their understanding and reflects on the need to consider the electric fields across the inner surface, not just the immediate surroundings of the charges.
  • Another participant adds that charges within a conductor will redistribute themselves to create a zero electric field inside, implying that any net field would cause further movement of charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding and reasoning regarding the movement of charges, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the underlying principles.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about electric fields and potential are not fully explored, and the implications of surface area on charge distribution are not definitively resolved.

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First post,

I know that charges of the same sign repel one another and that will attempt to move as far away from one another as possible. Now, I'm reading my physics textbook and it says charges will always move to the outer surface of a conductor even if the inner surface has a larger area. Think of a hollow sphere that has a pitted inner surface to give it more surface area than the outer.

Now why is this? My best guess is that because the electric field in a conductor is zero? What obvious thing am I missing here?

Thanks!
 
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Well if the charges were on the inside surface of a conductor, then they would be closer together wouldn't they?

It becomes clear if you consider how the inner surface area could possibly be bigger than the outer surface area.
 
The logic however is not very convincing. Think in terms of potential and Electric field (and obviously using r1<r2)
 
That makes slightly more sense now. I didn't consider the fields acorss the inner surface rather just the immediate surface around the charges. Not the clearest thing in the world but it makes a little bit more sense.
 
In addition, charges within a conductor will also move so as to create a zero field, a static condition, within the conductor...you can tell this happens because if their were a net field then the charges would move in reaction to it.
 

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