Surface tension acting on DNA molecules

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of surface tension on DNA molecules, particularly in the context of stretching DNA strands in a solution. Participants are exploring physical modeling related to surface tension and its implications for the forces acting on DNA in a hydrophilic environment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Peter initiates the discussion by seeking help with calculating the force due to surface tension acting on a DNA molecule modeled as a cylinder in water.
  • One participant suggests that the vertical force depends on the surface tension of water, the circumference of the cylinder, and the contact angle of the water with the cylinder's surface.
  • Another participant provides formulas for calculating the force based on whether the cylinder is fully wet or hollow, indicating a relationship to the surface tension of water.
  • Peter raises concerns about the calculated force being on the order of Ångströms, which seems inconsistent with the observed stability of DNA strands under stretching, suggesting a possible oversight in the model.
  • He speculates that capillary effects may play a significant role in the interaction between DNA and the buffer solution, questioning whether these effects could substantially reduce the force acting on the DNA strands.
  • A later reply indicates that a new reference has led to a significant variation in the results, suggesting that there are complex factors influencing the calculations.
  • Kapil requests Peter to share his findings, indicating interest in the evolving discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the impact of surface tension and capillary effects on DNA stretching. There is no consensus on the significance of these effects or the accuracy of the initial calculations, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence of their calculations on specific assumptions about the wetting properties of DNA and the geometry of the system, as well as the potential for significant variations in results based on different references.

Don Carnage
Hi.

We have done some experiments on stretching of DNA strands. We want to expand our report with some physical modelling but we are having some problems understanding surface tension. We have read some introductive book about fuild dynamics and used wiki a lot but we still have problems calculating simple things :(

A simple thing we want to start calculation is how the surface tension act on a cylinder(DNA molecule) with radius 'r' when pulled up of a solution containing only water.. (see figure)
Or more precise we what to calculate the force which we then should be able to compare
with the elastic force of DNA.

Does someone have an idea of what to do.?

Thx.
Peter
 

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Here's a start: The vertical force on the tube due to surface tension depends on the surface tension of water (which is about 0.072 N/m at 25C; see: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/surten.html#c3"), the circumference of the tube (both inside and out, since both sides are in contact with the water), and the angle the water surface makes with the sides of the tube (which depends on what the tube is made out of).
 
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Doc Al said:
Here's a start: The vertical force on the tube due to surface tension depends on the surface tension of water (which is about 0.072 N/m at 25C; see: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/surten.html#c3"), the circumference of the tube (both inside and out, since both sides are in contact with the water), and the angle the water surface makes with the sides of the tube (which depends on what the tube is made out of).

Ok so let's say the cylinder is 100% wet, then i must give something like;

F = y_(H2O,Air) * 2 * pi* R

or if the cylinder is hollow then;

F = 2 * y_(H2O,Air) * 2 * pi* R
 
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Looks reasonable to me.
 
Ok; The radius of DNA is around 1.5nm and Y_H20 is around 72mN. This gives a force with the size of Ångstrøm. The problem is just that a force with sizes around pN can break a DNA strand, so this is a really bad estimate(Because the strands does not break, not even close to). Estimating that DNA is 100% wet is actually pretty close to the
truth (used in various articles/reports) since it is highly hydrophilic. My intuition tells me that it has something to do with the capillary effects, as seen in figure nr. 2.

What happens is that DNA binds to the wafer which has been dipped down into the DNA/Buffer solution and when we lift the sample (for stretching the DNA strands) the buffer-solution does as shown in the picture(the curved surface) - due to some capillary effects.

Can this effect really reduce the Force with 1e-3N or more? Would it be hard to implement
this effect? Does this effect have an influence on the force acting on the DNA strands at all?

Thx
 

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Ok I found a better reference and now i varies a couple of 100%. Its better but still there must be some pretty heavy effects which can chage this result that much..
 
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Could you please share your finding with us?

rgrds,
Kapil
 

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