Symmetry breaking in the AdS small/large black hole phase transition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of symmetry breaking in the context of a phase transition in AdS black holes, specifically examining the Landau functional and its implications for phase transitions. Participants explore the relationship between phase transitions and symmetry breaking, referencing both theoretical frameworks and specific models.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to identify the symmetry being broken in the context of AdS black holes, referencing a specific expression for the Landau functional.
  • Another participant argues that not all phase transitions, such as the gas-liquid transition in the van der Waals model, are associated with symmetry breaking, suggesting that this is not universally applicable.
  • A later reply reiterates the point about the van der Waals model, expressing uncertainty about how symmetry breaking applies to this transition.
  • One participant proposes a formal approach to identify symmetry breaking by shifting the variable in the Landau functional, suggesting that the minimum of the function exhibits an inversion symmetry.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that the identified symmetry is relevant to the system or its Hamiltonian, noting that the Landau functional may not possess exact symmetry.
  • A further comment suggests that while the Landau functional may lack exact symmetry, it could exhibit approximate symmetry near its minimum, and raises a question about the existence of exact symmetry in the context of Galois theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between phase transitions and symmetry breaking, with no consensus reached on whether every phase transition involves symmetry breaking. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific symmetry in the context of AdS black holes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding how symmetry breaking applies to certain phase transitions, particularly in the case of the van der Waals model, and the potential for approximate symmetries in the Landau functional.

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Which symmetry is being broken during a small/large AdS black hole phase transition using the Landau's phase transition approach?
I am trying to reproduce the results from this paper where they find out the expression for the Landau functional to be

$$\psi(x,t,p)=\frac{1}{4}(\frac{1}{x}+6x+px^3-4tx^2)$$

We plot the Landau functional v/s the order parameter($x$) at $p=0.5$ and obtain the Figure 4. from the paper as

testing1.png

Now according to free energy approach, this is a first-order phase transition. According to Landau theory, every phase transition is related to a symmetry breaking. Which symmetry is being broken here, for this system of AdS black holes?
 
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At least with the van der Waals model, i.e. gas-liquid phase transition, there is no symmetry breaking associated with it. I think it is simply not true that every phase transition is related to a symmetry breaking.
 
DrDu said:
At least with the van der Waals model, i.e. gas-liquid phase transition, there is no symmetry breaking associated with it. I think it is simply not true that every phase transition is related to a symmetry breaking.
Supposedly Landau theory only fails in that respect in some weird low temperature scenaria, but you are right that I can't really think of how the gas to liquid transition breaks a symmetry... I also can't seem to find it anywhere, maybe someone else knows...
 
codebpr said:
Which symmetry is being broken here
One can answer this question formally, without understanding physics. Shift the variable ##x## such that the red minimum of the plotted function is at ##x=0##. The minimum ##x=0## is hence invariant under the transformation ##x\to -x##. The green minimum is not invariant under ##x\to -x##, so the broken symmetry is the inversion ##x\to -x##, for the shifted ##x##.
 
Hm, ok, but this is not a symmetry of the system or its hamiltonian.
 
DrDu said:
Hm, ok, but this is not a symmetry of the system or its hamiltonian.
True, in general there is no any reason why the Landau functional should have any exact symmetry. But close to the minimum ##x=x_{\rm red}## the functional can be expanded
$$\psi(x,...)=a+b(x-x_{\rm red})^2+...$$
which at least has an approximate symmetry.

EDIT: Or maybe there is always some exact symmetry in the sense of Galois theory?
http://www.cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp/project/MISC/slide/seminar-s/2011/120112Takeuchi.pdf
 

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