Symmetry of Spatial Wavefunctions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the symmetry properties of spatial wavefunctions for fermions, particularly in the context of their spin states and the implications of phase factors in quantum mechanics. It explores the relationship between different representations of wavefunctions and their physical equivalence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for two fermions in a triplet symmetric spin state, the spatial wavefunction must be antisymmetric, providing an example with harmonic oscillator states.
  • Another participant points out that two wavefunctions differing only by a phase factor of -1 describe the same physical state, as this factor cancels in expectation values.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the concept of a phase factor and its origin in the context of wavefunctions.
  • Another participant explains that a phase factor is a complex number of unit absolute value, emphasizing its role in the time-dependent Schrödinger equation and the non-stationary nature of superpositions of energy eigenstates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the equivalence of wavefunctions differing by a phase factor, but there remains uncertainty regarding the concept of phase factors and their implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the nature of phase factors or their specific impact on the physical interpretation of wavefunctions.

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I know about symmetry and antisymmetry and so on, but a thought that I had never considered just hit me. If we had two fermions in the triplet symmetric spin state and hence therefore an antisymmetric spatial state, for example a harmonic oscillator in the first excited state must be one in state n and one in k:

psi = 1/(sqr root 2)( n1k2 - n2k1 )

But this wavefunction is clearly different from

psi = 1/(sqr root 2)( n2k1 - n1k2 )

Clearly it is just the exchange operator applied to the wave function, i can see that the expectation values will always be the same, so can you just choose how you order these and in which order they go?
 
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The two functions are identical up to a phase factor -1. Wavefunctions differing only by a phase factor ##\exp(i\phi)## with phi independent of coordinates describe the same state as the phase factor cancels out when forming the expectation value of any operator.
 
As I thought. But I'm not quite sure what a phase factor is or where it is coming from.
 
A phase factor is simply a complex number of unit absolute value whence they can be expressed in polar coordinates as ##r\exp{i\phi}## with r=1. The angle phi is often called phase as we have a wave picture in mind. You can check that the time dependent Schrödinger equation changes the phase of an eigenstate with time. However, the phase of different eigenstates changes differently with time, so that a superposition of energy eigenstates will not be stationary.
 

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