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You have actual data for air in Perry's Handbook.Jay_ said:Okay. One more thing. How do we obtain the constants for the outside of the pipe (of standard air)? You mentioned BSL section on submerged objects.
We can find the thermal conductivity using this equation :
http://bouteloup.pierre.free.fr/lica/phythe/don/air/air_k_plot.pdf
BTW, I should mention that we made a slight oversight in our approach so far. For evaluating the physical properties (see BSL), we should be using the arithmetic average of the wall temperature and the bulk gas temperature (inside the pipe), and the arithmetic average of the wall temperature and the ambient air for the outside of the pipe. Sorry. I forgot that.
This is not strictly Kosher, since, the correlation is for gas flow perpendicular to the cylinder, and in our case, it is parallel to the cylinder. I mentioned earlier that, if we do this, we will get an upper bound to the Nu and h.From BSL would I be using equation 14.4-7 and 14.4-8 to find the Nusselt number (since it is a cylinder), and then find the value of 'h'? In doing so what would be the value of the characteristic length L as we go to find h from Nu?
Doing heat transfer to a submerged body is much more uncertain than for internal flow. For one thing, even in the turbulent flow region, the turbulent boundary layer thickness is growing with distance along the body, and the heat transfer coefficient is decreasing with distance. For a sphere or a cylinder in cross flow, this is not important, but for a tailpipe (where the air flow is axial), it can be. It might be useful to calculate the local heat transfer coefficient on the tailpipe by treating it as a flat plate (valid if the boundary layer thickness is small compared to the pipe radius), but the correlation in BSL is for a sharp edged entry, while, in our case, there is a muffler at the entrance (which certainly does not provide a sharp edged entrance).
If I were you, I would do 4 scouting calculations, and compare the results:
1. Assume a sharp edged entrance for the flat plate situation and with the Re evaluated at the distance x behind the muffler that the thermocouple is situated (as the characteristic length). This would give an upper bound to h.
2. Calculate the h from the tool box equation
3. Calculate the h using the cross flow correlation for a cylinder. This would give an upper bound for h
4. Calculate the h using the internal flow calculation, with v taken as the car speed and the characteristic length taken as D. Since, for internal flow, the boundary layer thickness does not grow, this would also give an upper bound for h.
Compare these 4 results, and see what you get. At worst, choose the one from 1, 3, 4 that gives the lowest upper bound, or choose 2. I would run some numbers to see.
Chet