Tensor Densities: Coordinate Independent Definition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of tensor densities, specifically seeking a coordinate independent or geometric definition. Participants explore the relationship between vector spaces and tensor densities, as well as the implications of transformations on these spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that to determine if a vector space V consists of pure tensors or tensor densities, additional information is needed regarding how transformations on the tangent space T relate to transformations on V.
  • It is proposed that if scaling transformations on T correspond to different scaling behaviors on V, this could indicate that V is a space of tensor densities.
  • Examples are provided where the scaling behavior could be geometrical or physical, such as elements of V describing areas or mass per unit area, respectively.
  • A follow-up question is raised about demonstrating that the charge 4-current is a tensor density.
  • Another participant questions whether the current density has already been established as a pure vector, implying a need for clarity on the definitions involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are competing views on the definitions and relationships between tensor densities and pure tensors, as well as the status of current density.

Contextual Notes

The discussion may be limited by assumptions regarding the definitions of tensor densities and pure tensors, as well as the specific transformations considered. The implications of physical versus geometrical considerations are also not fully resolved.

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Is there a coordinate independent/geometric definition of a tensor density?
 
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You have a set of quantities V={v} that obey the axioms of a vector space. This automatically implies that there is some notion of scaling them, [itex]v\rightarrow\alpha v[/itex]. For comparison, you also have the vector space of infinitesimal displacements T={dx}, i.e., the tangent space. To talk about whether V is a space made of pure tensors or tensor densities, I think you need additional information that tells you how transformations on T relate to transformations on V. For example, if rotations and boosts act the same way on T and V, but a scaling by α on T corresponds to a scaling by α2 on V, then you know that V is a space of tensor densities, not pure tensors. This additional information could be purely geometrical and based on some construction of V's elements out of T's elements (e.g., elements of V could describe areas), in which case that's how you'd know how to correlate the scaling behaviors. Or the comparative behavior under scaling could be fixed by some physical rather than geometrical consideration, e.g., elements of V could describe the mass per unit area in a 2-surface, which has different scaling behavior than the charge per unit area.
 
Okay, follow up question: how would I show that the charge 4-current is a tensor density?
 
Have you already established that current density is a pure vector?
 

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