Terminal Velocity proportional to the Drag Force 𝑚𝛾𝑣² in free fall

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The discussion revolves around the equation of motion for free fall including air resistance, specifically focusing on the terminal velocity and its relationship to the drag force represented by the term 𝑚𝛾𝑣². Participants explore the mathematical derivation of terminal velocity and the integration process involved in solving the equation.

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  • Some participants propose that the original post seeks a solution to the equation of motion for free fall, which includes air resistance, represented as $$\ddot{x}=\dot{v}=g-\gamma v^2$$.
  • One participant provides a detailed derivation of the terminal velocity, concluding that $$v_{\infty} = \sqrt{\frac{g}{\gamma}}$$.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative approach to the integration process, indicating that the left-hand side should remain as $$\frac{1}{\gamma} \int \frac{dv}{ \left(\sqrt{ \frac{g}{\gamma }}\right)^2 -v^2 }$$ and continue with partial fraction decomposition.
  • There is a correction regarding the integration of $$\frac{du}{1-u}$$, where one participant challenges the claim that it equals $$\ln(1-u)$$.
  • Several participants express confusion or difficulty with the integration steps and the overall problem-solving process.

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Participants generally express differing viewpoints on the integration methods and the clarity of the derivation process. There is no consensus on the best approach to solving the equation or on the correctness of specific integration steps.

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Some limitations include unresolved mathematical steps and differing interpretations of the integration process. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and approaches without reaching a definitive resolution.

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Can anyone help me? I know that's wrong, but i don't know where.

Thanks for your attention so far.
 

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What question do you wish to find out?
 
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Obviously in #1 the OP looks for the solution of the equation of motion for free fall including air resistance,
$$\ddot{x}=\dot{v}=g-\gamma v^2.$$
This equation for ##v## can obviously solved by separation of variables,
$$\mathrm{d} t = \frac{\mathrm{d} v}{g-\gamma v^2}.$$
We need the integral
$$\int \mathrm{d} v \frac{1}{g-\gamma v^2} = \frac{1}{g} \int \mathrm{d} v \frac{1}{1-(\sqrt{\gamma/g}v)^2} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{g \gamma}} \text{artanh} \left (\sqrt{\frac{\gamma}{g}} v \right).$$
With the initial condition ##v(0)=0## we thus get
$$t=\frac{1}{\sqrt{g \gamma}} \text{artanh} \left (\sqrt{\frac{\gamma}{g}} v \right).$$
Solved for ##v## you get
$$v(t)=\sqrt{\frac{g}{\gamma}} \tanh (\sqrt{g \gamma} t).$$
The terminal velocity is
$$v_{\infty} = \sqrt{\frac{g}{\gamma}}.$$
 
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Yeah,after the ##u## substitution things get messy in your solution.

Leave the LHS as:

$$ \frac{1}{\gamma} \int \frac{dv}{ \left(\sqrt{ \frac{g}{\gamma }}\right)^2 -v^2 }= \frac{1}{\gamma} \int \frac{A dv}{\sqrt{\frac{g}{\gamma}} + v}+\frac{1}{\gamma} \int \frac{B dv}{\sqrt{\frac{g}{\gamma}} -v}$$

and continue with the partial fraction decomposition from there.
 
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The error you make is saying that the integral of du/(1-u) = ln(1-u)
 
hutchphd said:
What question do you wish to find out?
The terminal velocity equation as a function of the coefficient γ²
 
PeterDonis said:
@Victor Correa putting content in attachments is not acceptable. You need to post your content directly in the forum, using the PF LaTeX feature for equations. There is a LaTeX Guide link at the bottom left of the edit window when you are composing a post.
Oh, I didn't know. Sorry
 
vanhees71 said:
Obviously in #1 the OP looks for the solution of the equation of motion for free fall including air resistance,
$$\ddot{x}=\dot{v}=g-\gamma v^2.$$
This equation for ##v## can obviously solved by separation of variables,
$$\mathrm{d} t = \frac{\mathrm{d} v}{g-\gamma v^2}.$$
We need the integral
$$\int \mathrm{d} v \frac{1}{g-\gamma v^2} = \frac{1}{g} \int \mathrm{d} v \frac{1}{1-(\sqrt{\gamma/g}v)^2} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{g \gamma}} \text{artanh} \left (\sqrt{\frac{\gamma}{g}} v \right).$$
With the initial condition ##v(0)=0## we thus get
$$t=\frac{1}{\sqrt{g \gamma}} \text{artanh} \left (\sqrt{\frac{\gamma}{g}} v \right).$$
Solved for ##v## you get
$$v(t)=\sqrt{\frac{g}{\gamma}} \tanh (\sqrt{g \gamma} t).$$
The terminal velocity is
$$v_{\infty} = \sqrt{\frac{g}{\gamma}}.$$
You are my hero !
 
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Victor Correa said:
The terminal velocity equation as a function of the coefficient γ²
So that is easy indeed $$\ddot{x}=\dot{v}=g-\gamma v^2.$$ Just demand$$\dot{v}=g-\gamma v^2=0.$$
 
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hutchphd said:
So that is easy indeed $$\ddot{x}=\dot{v}=g-\gamma v^2.$$ Just demand$$\dot{v}=g-\gamma v^2=0.$$
My problem is this 🤣
 
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Victor Correa said:
My problem is this 🤣
Yeah, you had a bit of a "can't see the forest through the trees" issue.
 
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