Textbooks to be used as references for classical electromagnetism

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The discussion revolves around the need for appropriate references in a paper on classical electromagnetism, particularly focusing on the use of Wikipedia as a source. Participants explore the validity of using Wikipedia for scientific references and seek recommendations for textbooks covering specific electromagnetism concepts.

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  • One participant expresses the need for credible references for classical electromagnetism concepts after a paper submission was rejected due to reliance on Wikipedia.
  • Some participants suggest that Wikipedia can be a starting point but emphasize the importance of citing original sources found in Wikipedia articles.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of Wikipedia for advanced topics, with some arguing that while basic articles may be accurate, more complex topics can contain dubious information.
  • Another participant shares their experience of using Wikipedia, stating that they verify information against other sources before trusting it, but acknowledges the uncertainty in both Wikipedia and textbooks.
  • There is a call for recommendations on textbooks that cover specific topics such as the Lorentz force, Larmor formula, and Maxwell stress tensor.
  • Participants discuss the importance of being familiar with accepted literature in the field to ensure the novelty and correctness of research work.
  • One participant reflects on their educational background in telecommunications engineering and self-study in physics, indicating a desire to deepen their understanding through recommended literature.

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Participants generally disagree on the reliability of Wikipedia as a reference for academic work. While some see it as a useful starting point, others strongly argue against its use for research-level material, emphasizing the necessity of citing original research articles and established textbooks.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the validity of information from Wikipedia and textbooks, highlighting the need for careful verification of sources. There is also a discussion about the appropriateness of referencing well-known formulas from textbooks versus original research articles.

  • #31
You can ask as well: How can a book be called modern when it brings Hamliton's principle and Noether's theorems as the last chapter of a textbook about E&M?

It's not modern at all, precisely for the reason you give. Landau and Lifshitz is much more modern. I often wonder, why usually they don't use the "relativity first" approach. Relativity makes E&M so much simpler, because it's the natural way to fromulate it. One answer is that the curricula of universities often don't follow a modern order of subjects.

I'd also teach non-relativistic quantum mechanics before E&M, because then you have a natural approach to the most usual systems of orthogonal functions, particularly spherical harmonics and all that, which you then can use for the more complicated system of vector fields in E&M.
 
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  • #32
vanhees71 said:
I'd also teach non-relativistic quantum mechanics before E&M, because then you have a natural approach to the most usual systems of orthogonal functions, particularly spherical harmonics and all that, which you then can use for the more complicated system of vector fields in E&M.

That's a good point, I never thought about that.
 
  • #33
vanhees71 said:
I'd also teach non-relativistic quantum mechanics before E&M, because then you have a natural approach to the most usual systems of orthogonal functions, particularly spherical harmonics and all that, which you then can use for the more complicated system of vector fields in E&M.
Well, there is nothing stopping you from reading about systems of orthogonal functions without studying quantum mechanics. They can be pretty useful in many other situations as well. In my program, the general theory of orthogonal functions is taught in a separate course. Examples include vibrating strings, pressure waves, diffusion, etc.
 
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  • #34
Sure, but usually you don't introduce operators and algebraic methods in a standard E&M course.
 
  • #35
what about Electromagnetic field theory by Bo Thiede
 

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