The 555 timers I use don't always generate pulses

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The discussion revolves around issues with 555 timers not consistently generating pulses in a circuit set up in astable mode. Participants explore potential causes related to circuit construction, component connections, and the use of breadboards.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that grounding pin 5 with a capacitor is necessary for proper operation, while others confirm this approach.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of connecting pin 4 (Not_Reset) to Vcc, which should also connect to pin 8.
  • One participant explains that pin 5 is connected to a voltage divider inside the 555 timer, and a capacitor helps reduce noise for more accurate timing.
  • Another participant reports that using a 0.1μf polyester capacitor on pin 5 did not resolve the issue, raising questions about the capacitor's functionality.
  • Participants emphasize the need for a circuit diagram and photos of the construction to diagnose the problem effectively.
  • There is a mention of the 555 timer's age and the availability of newer, better alternatives, but some argue that the 555 is still useful for certain applications.
  • One participant notes that the circuit worked on a different breadboard, prompting inquiries about the differences between the two breadboards used.
  • Concerns are raised about potential wiring errors and the quality of the breadboards, including issues with bent contacts and worn connectors.

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Participants express a mix of agreement on some technical aspects, such as the need for proper connections and the use of capacitors, but there is no consensus on the root cause of the issue or whether it is a wiring error. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to seek more information.

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Limitations include the lack of a detailed circuit diagram and photos of the actual circuit setup, which are necessary for accurate troubleshooting. The discussion also highlights the variability in breadboard quality and potential issues with component connections.

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I have 3 555 timers. They don't always produce pulse. Sometimes
They do. Sometimes they don't. Why don't they always produce pulses? I use electrolytic capacitors.
There is nothing connected to the 5th pin.
 
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David lopez said:
I have 3 555 timers. They don't always produce pulse. Sometimes
They do. Sometimes they don't. Why don't they always produce pulses? I use electrolytic capacitors.
There is nothing connected to the 5th pin.
hi there

well, you have given us very little to go on to try and help you
A circuit diagram of YOUR circuit would be helpful
As would a well lit and focused photo or two of your construction

With both of those things we may be able to see an error in your circuit and/or an error in your construction

Give us information of how many pulses per second or what ever that you were expecting to get
and what is the 555 circuit supposed to be driving ( what other circuit)

There is nothing connected to the 5th pin.

That's probably a main part of the problem as pin 5 is pretty much always used.
Unless it has a specific control voltage on it from another circuit, then it is ALWAYS grounded ( to 0V rail)
via 0.01uF ceramic, mylar etc capacitorDave
 
So I should ground the 5th pin with a capacitor?
 
David lopez said:
So I should ground the 5th pin with a capacitor?

yes
 
Check also that the Not_Reset pin 4, is connected to Vcc which also goes to pin 8.
 
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Why is pin 5 connected to a capacitor?
 
Inside the 555 there are three identical resistors in series between the Vcc and the ground terminal. That voltage divider provides 1/3 Vcc and 2/3 Vcc reference voltages to the internal comparators. Pin 5 is connected to the upper divider voltage. A capacitor to ground removes power supply noise from the potential divider and comparator inputs, so the timing is more accurate with less jitter.
 
I tried using a 0.1μf polyester capacitor
Connecting pin 5 to ground. That didn't work. I tried using a different 555 timer. That didn't
Work. Could there be something wrong with the capacitor? The circuit is in astable mode.
 
The problem is that you have not given us your circuit diagram.
Post a link or drag and drop an image onto your next post.
 
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This doesn't really answer your question, but...
The 555 timer is one of the oldest ICs available. As such there are lots and lots of better IC timers available at low cost. Honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would still use a 555. For example, consider the 7555 which is functionally nearly identical but has much improved performance, these can often be directly substituted in a circuit.
For a modern design, you could look into TimerBlox ICs from Analog devices or other similar ICs.
 
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David lopez said:
I tried using a 0.1μf polyester capacitor
Connecting pin 5 to ground. That didn't work. I tried using a different 555 timer. That didn't
Work. Could there be something wrong with the capacitor? The circuit is in astable mode.

That may be because you still have other issues with your circuit/construction

I have asked for YOUR circuit diag and a photo or two of your construction way back in post #2

you still haven't provided these ... it's really difficult to help you better without this info ...
otherwise we are all just wasting out time guessing at what the problems may be

Dave
 
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David lopez said:
I use the circuit diagram from this site.
What did you use for a power supply? And at what voltage?
 
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I have two breadboards, a grey one
And a white one. I tried the white one
And the circuit started producing pulses. Sorry. I didn't try that until 1
Hour and 47 minutes ago. Do you have
Any idea what is wrong with the grey
Breadboard? and I have white breadboard, nothing wrong with white
Breadboard.
 
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"Grey" and "white: don't adequately describe the breadboards. For all we know they may be wired very differently. You need to provide details about their configurations, manufacturer, model number...
 
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I will do some research.
 
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I got the grey breadboard from a seller
On ebay. I am unable to provide more
Details. I bought the white breadboard
From mouser electronics. Diligent, is
The manufacturer of the white breadboard. Both breadboards look
Identical, except for the different colors. They have the same number of points. Both have a positive terminal
And negative terminal on each side.
 
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DaveE said:
Honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would still use a 555.
For the same reason I don't use a micrometer when framing a house. Sometimes good enough is good enough.
 
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David lopez said:
I have two breadboards, a grey one
And a white one. I tried the white one
And the circuit started producing pulses. Sorry. I didn't try that until 1
Hour and 47 minutes ago. Do you have
Any idea what is wrong with the grey
Breadboard? and I have white breadboard, nothing wrong with white
Breadboard.
You STILL haven't provided photos... PLEASE do so you are making people guess
and it again is still just wasting time
If you really want help, you need to help us help you
 
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DaveE said:
The 555 timer is one of the oldest ICs available. As such there are lots and lots of better IC timers available at low cost. Honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would still use a 555.

So ??

because they work and are easy to use
 
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davenn said:
So ??

because they work and are easy to use

Not for the OP :cool:

Cheers
 
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cosmik debris said:
Not for the OP :cool:

Cheers
Probably only because he has a wiring error

hence my continued insistence for photos !
 
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Here are the photos of my breadboard.
 
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Those are photos of blank breadboards, before any circuitry that you added onto them. Can you please post clear pictures of the non-working circuit? Thanks.
 
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David lopez said:
View attachment 243600

Here are the photos of my breadboard.
this one looks wrecked, I wouldn't use it
 
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again

davenn said:
Probably only because he has a wiring error

hence my continued insistence for photos !
 
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Actually I tried putting the circuit on the grey breadboard again. I think if you don't use for a few hours it will work
Again.
 
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I don't think it is a wiring error.
 
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David lopez said:
I don't think it is a wiring error.
Without a schematic we'll never know.
 
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David lopez said:
I don't think it is a wiring error.
Buddy ... do you REALLY want help or are you just going to screw us all around for ever ?

David lopez said:
I don't think it is a wiring error.
Well since you don't know what is going on, you really have no idea if that is a correct statement

IF you really want help start answering questions and supply the info asked for
else you may find your thread getting closed
 

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