The angle of intersection between two planes in R3

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the angle of intersection between two planes in ℝ3 defined by the equations x-y=5 and y-z=7. Participants explore methods to derive the angle using vector normals and the dot product, while also addressing confusion regarding the general equations of the planes.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the formula cos-1 (u⋅v/||u|| ||v||) to find the angle between the planes, but express uncertainty about how to apply it to the given equations.
  • One participant suggests finding a normal vector for each plane and using the dot product to determine the angle between the normals, asserting that this angle corresponds to the angle between the planes.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on how to find the normal vectors from the general equations provided.
  • A participant mentions an example from their course book involving parametric equations and expresses confusion about how these relate to the general equations of the planes.
  • Some participants discuss solving a linear system and reducing it to row echelon form as a method to derive the plane equations, questioning whether others have experience with linear algebra.
  • One participant offers a simpler method to find the normal vectors, stating that for a plane given by Ax + By + Cz = D, the normal vector can be directly taken as .

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of using normal vectors and the dot product to find the angle between the planes. However, there is ongoing confusion regarding the derivation of the general equations and the application of linear algebra methods, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in these areas.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific steps to derive the normal vectors and the general equations from the provided parametric equations. There are also references to linear algebra concepts that may not be fully understood by all participants.

Erenjaeger
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What is the angle of intersection between the two planes in ℝ3 with general equations
x-y=5 and y-z=7?

I know that the angle between then is equal to cos-1 (u⋅v/||u|| ||v||) but I am stuck on the general equations given, how can I solve when given these ?
 
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Erenjaeger said:
What is the angle of intersection between the two planes in ℝ3 with general equations
x-y=5 and y-z=7?

I know that the angle between then is equal to cos-1 (u⋅v/||u|| ||v||) but I am stuck on the general equations given, how can I solve when given these ?
Find a normal to each plane, and then use the dot product to find the cosine of the angle between the two normals. That will be the same as the angle between the two planes.
 
Mark44 said:
Find a normal to each plane, and then use the dot product to find the cosine of the angle between the two normals. That will be the same as the angle between the two planes.
how would i find a normal to each plane?
 
Erenjaeger said:
how would i find a normal to each plane?
im confused with those general equations given in the problem
 
Mark44 said:
Find a normal to each plane, and then use the dot product to find the cosine of the angle between the two normals. That will be the same as the angle between the two planes.
In my course book, we are given an example where we have two points in ℝ3 which are (2,-1,3) and is parallel to (3,2,-2) so the parametric equations are
x=2+3t
y=-1+2t
z=3-2t
where t∈ℝ
solving for t gives

t=x-2/3, t=y+1/2, t=3-z/2

and this yields two equations
x-2/3 = y+1/2 and y+1/2 = 3-z/2 which I can understand because they're all the same value which is 't' so they are all equal to one another right?

the part where I am lost is where it says rearranging these two equations gives some general equations for the two planes...
2x-3y=7 and y+z=2
how do they rearrange to get those equations ?
 
Hey Erenjaeger.

This is done by solving a linear system (i.e. a "matrix") and finding what occurs when you reduce it down to "row echelon form".

Have you ever done linear algebra before?
 
chiro said:
Hey Erenjaeger.

This is done by solving a linear system (i.e. a "matrix") and finding what occurs when you reduce it down to "row echelon form".

Have you ever done linear algebra before?
yeah
 
It's basically just an application of standard matrix methods.
 
chiro said:
It's basically just an application of standard matrix methods.
okay, ill read through that section in my course book, thanks
 
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Erenjaeger said:
how would i find a normal to each plane?
Given a plane in R3, Ax + By + Cz = D, a normal to this plane is the vector <A, B, C>. My suggestion, which doesn't involve matrices, is a lot simpler than the one chiro gave.

Find a normal to each plane: ##\vec{n_1} = <A_1, B_1, C_1>## and ##\vec{n_2} = <A_2, B_2, C_2>## and use the fact that ##\vec{u} \cdot \vec{v} = |\vec{u}| |\vec{v}|\cos(\theta)##, where ##\theta## is the angle between the two vectors.
 

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