The angular speed of the turntable with a woman on it? Help

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The discussion centers on calculating the angular speed of a turntable with a woman on it. The initial calculations show confusion regarding the conservation of angular momentum and the woman's vertical position. Participants clarify that the woman maintains a constant speed of 1.50 m/s while walking on a horizontal surface, which does not affect the conservation of angular momentum. The final calculations yield an angular speed of 0.389 rad/s, correcting earlier miscalculations. The conversation emphasizes understanding the principles of angular momentum and moment of inertia in this context.
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The angular speed of the turntable with a woman on it? Help!

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Ok so I understand part a (why it's counterclockwise. τ = Fr = (mg)(2) = (70)(9.8)(2) = +1372)

Part b is where I'm stuck...
This is what I did...

PEinitial + [STRIKE]KEinitial rotational[/STRIKE] = [STRIKE]PEfinal[/STRIKE] + KEfinal rotational
PEinitial = KEfinal rotational
mgh = (1/2)Iω2
(70)(9.8)(2) = (1/2)(540)ω2
1372 = 270ω2
1372/270 = ω2
5.08 = ω2
2.25 rev/s = ω

Convert to rad/s

2.25/2π rad/s = 0.358 rad/s, but the answer is 0.389.
Help! :( Where did I go wrong?
 
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Did the woman change her position in the VERTICAL direction?
 


Brb in 2 hours!
In the meantime can someone answer my question?
 


grzz said:
Did the woman change her position in the VERTICAL direction?

No/yes?

Hold on! I have to go to class real quick!
brb!
 


Is angular momentum conserved here?
 


If the OP is to learn anything then the OP must try to answer the question posted above, i.e. whether the woman changed her position in the vertical direction.
 


voko said:
Is angular momentum conserved here?

Yes! She maintains a constant speed of 1.50 m/s, so the round table keeps turning (conservation of angular momentum)

L = Iω
 
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grzz said:
If the OP is to learn anything then the OP must try to answer the question posted above, i.e. whether the woman changed her position in the vertical direction.

Wait what?
 


The woman is walking on a surface that stays horizontal. You've misunderstood the question.
 
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aralbrec said:
The woman is walking on a surface that stays horizontal. You've misunderstood the question.

Wait are you talking to me?
 
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riseofphoenix said:
Yes! She maintains a constant speed of 1.50 m/s, so the round table keeps turning (conservation of angular momentum)

L = Iω

The total angular momentum of the entire system is conserved regardless of constancy of her speed. This is because there are no external forces acting on the system. How could you use this fact?
 
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voko said:
The total angular momentum of the entire system is conserved regardless of constancy of her speed. This is because there are no external forces acting on the system. How could you use this fact?

1) Conservation of angular momentum (NO EXTERNAL FORCES acting on the system)

Linitial = Lfinal
[STRIKE](Ltable + Lwoman)initial[/STRIKE] = (Ltable + Lwoman)final
0 = (Ltable + Lwoman)final
0 = I1ω1 + I2ω2
-I1ω1 = I2ω2
ω1 = -(I2ω2)/I1

2) Moment of Inertia for the woman (I2)

I2 = mr2
I2 = (70)(22)
I2 = 280

3) Angular Speed of the woman (ω2)

ω = v/r
ω = (1.50)/(2)
ω = 0.75 rad/s

4) Moment of Inertia for the table (I1) - this is given

I1 = 540

5) Plug and chug

ω1 = -(I2ω2)/I1
ω1 = -[(-280)(0.75)]/540
ω1 = 0.389 rad/s
 
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Merci!
 
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