The Big Bounce and the Parity Problem

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of the big bang causing time to be "torn in two" resulting in two universes moving in opposite directions of time. However, this idea is not coherent and does not align with our current understanding of the universe. Other theories, such as spontaneous eternal inflation, have been proposed to explain the thermodynamic arrow of time and the asymmetry between matter and
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JonDE
Is it possible that whatever cause the big bang to happen and make space expand also (for lack of a better phrase) tore time in two? Resulting in two universes moving in opposite directions of time, and could this be used to explain why there appears to be more matter then antimatter in the universe?
 
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JonDE said:
Is it possible that whatever cause the big bang to happen and make space expand also (for lack of a better phrase) tore time in two? Resulting in two universes moving in opposite directions of time, and could this be used to explain why there appears to be more matter then antimatter in the universe?
Well, I'm not entirely sure this idea is coherent. The problem is that the description already assumes some sort of "super-time" under which this tearing of time in two could be observed. This kind of description, ultimately, does not work. Any description that is going to work has to operate as if the universe is all there is, and describe what goes on within it.

So if we instead describe what was going on within the universe, the picture you've drawn is one of a universe that, in the past, was collapsing and getting lower and lower in entropy (this is what is meant by having an opposite arrow of time), until it reached a turnaround point where it started to expand and increase in entropy. The difficulty here is that previous phase, where entropy was getting lower and lower, is tremendously unlikely. So much so that I would wager it makes the idea impossible.

And the problem with the matter thing is that as far as we know, matter simply didn't exist in the earliest parts of the universe when inflation was occurring. It was only later, when inflation ended that matter was generated. And when it was first produced it couldn't have been produced with anything resembling an asymmetry between matter and anti-matter: that asymmetry had to come about because of the detailed physics of what was going on in the massively hot furnace of our universe after the end of inflation.
 
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Certainly similar idea in the context of inflation has been entertained before (but I don't think it will help in explaining matter antimatter asymmetry because of what Chalnoth said in his last paragraph), see for example http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0410270" by Sean Carroll and Jennifer Chen:

Abstract: "We suggest that spontaneous eternal inflation can provide a natural explanation for the thermodynamic arrow of time, and discuss the underlying assumptions and consequences of this view. In the absence of inflation, we argue that systems coupled to gravity usually evolve asymptotically to the vacuum, which is the only natural state in a thermodynamic sense. In the presence of a small positive vacuum energy and an appropriate inflaton field, the de Sitter vacuum is unstable to the spontaneous onset of inflation at a higher energy scale. Starting from de Sitter, inflation can increase the total entropy of the universe without bound, creating universes similar to ours in the process. An important consequence of this picture is that inflation occurs asymptotically both forwards and backwards in time, implying a universe that is (statistically) time-symmetric on ultra-large scales."
 
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yenchin said:
Certainly similar idea in the context of inflation has been entertained before (but I don't think it will help in explaining matter antimatter asymmetry because of what Chalnoth said in his last paragraph), see for example http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0410270" by Sean Carroll and Jennifer Chen:

Abstract: "We suggest that spontaneous eternal inflation can provide a natural explanation for the thermodynamic arrow of time, and discuss the underlying assumptions and consequences of this view. In the absence of inflation, we argue that systems coupled to gravity usually evolve asymptotically to the vacuum, which is the only natural state in a thermodynamic sense. In the presence of a small positive vacuum energy and an appropriate inflaton field, the de Sitter vacuum is unstable to the spontaneous onset of inflation at a higher energy scale. Starting from de Sitter, inflation can increase the total entropy of the universe without bound, creating universes similar to ours in the process. An important consequence of this picture is that inflation occurs asymptotically both forwards and backwards in time, implying a universe that is (statistically) time-symmetric on ultra-large scales."
I really like that idea put forth by Sean Carroll and Jennifer Chen. Others have presented similar ideas. But I should mention that it is fundamentally different from the original post in that it is asymmetrical: you have an initial fluctuation into a low-entropy state, and the configuration of that state determines the direction of time as seen within the fluctuation.
 
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Years ago there was a theory of the Big Bang in which four Universes had their common origin - one of matter, one of antimatter and two tachyon Universes. I wish I could remember the cosmologists who proposed it. Bob Shaw used it in his "Orbitsville" trilogy, but it was a legit cosmological theory.
 
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qraal said:
Years ago there was a theory of the Big Bang in which four Universes had their common origin - one of matter, one of antimatter and two tachyon Universes. I wish I could remember the cosmologists who proposed it. Bob Shaw used it in his "Orbitsville" trilogy, but it was a legit cosmological theory.

Found it. J.Richard Gott III proposed it in 1973...

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1974ApJ...187...1G"

...what I misremembered as two tachyon universes is just one, from the Space-Time diagram of the whole.
 
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JonDE said:
Is it possible that whatever cause the big bang to happen and make space expand also (for lack of a better phrase) tore time in two? Resulting in two universes moving in opposite directions of time, and could this be used to explain why there appears to be more matter then antimatter in the universe?

If this was going to mean anything, you would have to define what you meant by your terms: "tore time in two," "moving in opposite directions of time."

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Related to The Big Bounce and the Parity Problem

1. What is the Symmetric Big Bang theory?

The Symmetric Big Bang theory is a cosmological model that suggests the universe began as a singularity, a point of infinite density and temperature. It then underwent a rapid expansion known as inflation, followed by a period of expansion and cooling. This theory suggests that the universe is symmetric, meaning that it looks the same in all directions and has the same properties throughout.

2. How does the Symmetric Big Bang theory differ from other theories of the universe's origins?

The Symmetric Big Bang theory differs from other theories, such as the Steady State or Cyclic models, in its explanation for the beginning of the universe. While these other theories suggest that the universe has always existed in some form, the Symmetric Big Bang theory proposes a specific beginning point and a sequence of events that led to the formation of the universe as we know it.

3. What evidence supports the Symmetric Big Bang theory?

There is a significant amount of evidence that supports the Symmetric Big Bang theory. One piece of evidence is the cosmic microwave background radiation, which is a remnant of the intense heat and energy that filled the universe in its early stages. The abundance of light elements, such as helium and hydrogen, also supports the theory, as they are believed to have been created during the Big Bang. Additionally, the expansion of the universe and the distribution of galaxies and clusters also align with the predictions of the Symmetric Big Bang theory.

4. Are there any challenges or criticisms to the Symmetric Big Bang theory?

While the Symmetric Big Bang theory is widely accepted, there are some challenges and criticisms to consider. One challenge is known as the horizon problem, which questions how different regions of the universe can have the same properties and appear to be in thermal equilibrium when they have not been in contact since the beginning of the universe. Additionally, some scientists have proposed alternative theories, such as the Inflationary model, to address these challenges.

5. How does the Symmetric Big Bang theory contribute to our understanding of the universe?

The Symmetric Big Bang theory has greatly contributed to our understanding of the universe. It provides a comprehensive explanation for the origin and evolution of the universe, as well as predictions that have been confirmed by observations and experiments. It has also led to advancements in our understanding of fundamental physics, such as the development of the Standard Model and the study of dark matter and dark energy. Overall, the Symmetric Big Bang theory continues to be a crucial framework for scientists to explore the mysteries of the universe.

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