The effect of the magnet in a Stern-Gerlach experiment

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The discussion revolves around the Stern-Gerlach experiment, focusing on the behavior of silver atoms as they pass through an inhomogeneous magnetic field. Participants explore the quantum mechanical description of the resulting states of the atoms, particularly the justification for the superposition of states and the implications of the wavefunction's behavior.

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  • One participant questions how to justify the state of an atom after passing through the magnet, specifically the expression |U>|↓>+|L>|↑>.
  • Another participant proposes a wavefunction model and discusses boundary conditions, expressing uncertainty about the transition from a single peak to two peaks in the wavefunction.
  • A third participant references a textbook that covers the Stern-Gerlach experiment from a de Broglie-Bohm perspective, suggesting it may provide insights into the discussion.
  • One participant expresses a lack of familiarity with the textbook mentioned and indicates a focus on other areas of study before addressing this topic.

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The discussion does not appear to reach a consensus, as participants express different levels of understanding and propose various approaches to the problem without resolving the underlying questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for boundary conditions and the role of the Schrödinger equation versus the Pauli equation, indicating potential limitations in their current understanding of the mathematical framework involved.

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A beam of silver atoms (which are electrically neutral spin-1/2 particles) enters an inhomogeneous magnetic field, and is split in two.

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The state of an atom that has passed the magnet is often described as |U>|↓>+|L>|↑>, where |U> and |L> are states that are localized to the upper and lower paths respectively, and |↓> and |↑> are the "spin down" and "spin up" states respectively. I have realized that I don't really understand how to justify this. Can we prove that each atom will end up in a |U>|↓>+|L>|↑> state?
 
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One idea that occurs to me is to take the wavefunction to be of the exp(-a(x-vt)2) form for x<0, and the potential to be 0 for x<0 and x>1, and [tex]=\vec\mu\cdot\vec B[/tex] when 0<x<1, but then I don't see how we can impose a boundary condition at x=1. Do we need one? Is this problem worked out in any of the standard textbooks?

The detail I'm the most interested in is why the wavefunction changes from having one peak to having two peaks, instead of just spreading out. Is this a result of some sort of decoherence in which the magnet serves as an "environment", or can it be derived from the Schrödinger equation alone?
 
Hi Fredrik,

If you search through the archives, you'll find a thread - not too long ago - where you said you were going to order Peter Holland's "Quantum Theory of Motion" textbook - which is about the deBB perspective of these things. Did it ever arrive, I wonder? Anyway, there's a whole bunch of stuff about the SG experiment in there - though if you haven't got the physical book the crucial pages on Google Books are blocked, sadly.

Hey, it's even a demonstration on the Wolfram site:

http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/TheCausalInterpretationOfTheSternGerlachExperiment/"

Since the Schroedinger equation is about spinless particles, you do need to go the level of the Pauli equation or whatever, obviously.

Cheers,
Zenith
 
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Thank you. It's been on my bookshelf for a long time, but I haven't read it yet. Not even a single page I'm afraid. :frown: I'm so dumb that it's taking me a very long time to learn functional analysis and a few other things that I've been giving a higher priority. I'll check it out.
 

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