The Field Equations of Newton: Understanding the Basics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of fields in the context of Newton's gravitational law, particularly whether Newton had an understanding of fields during his time and how his laws can be interpreted using modern field theory. Participants explore the implications of formulating Newton's laws in terms of scalar and vector fields, as well as the mathematical representation of gravitational potential and acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Newton did not have the concept of fields during his time, yet his laws can still be expressed in terms of fields, specifically mentioning a scalar field for gravitational potential.
  • Others argue that while the term "field" was not used, the concept is implicit in Newton's gravitational law, which assigns force values and directions to spatial locations.
  • One participant questions how the spatial location relates to the distance from a mass and seeks clarification on the directionality of the gravitational acceleration vector.
  • Another participant explains that the magnitude of gravitational force depends on the distance between objects and emphasizes that vectors have direction, specifically towards the gravitating body.
  • Poisson's equation is introduced as the appropriate field equation for Newtonian gravity, with a distinction made between scalar and vector fields.
  • There is a challenge regarding the definition of spatial location, emphasizing that it requires both distance and direction, not just distance alone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the term "field" was not present in Newton's time, but there is disagreement on the implications of this regarding the formulation of his laws. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of spatial locations and the nature of gravitational fields.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clarity in defining spatial locations, indicating that assumptions about distance and direction may not be universally understood. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of Newton's laws in the context of modern physics.

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Am I right when I say during Newton's time there was no idea of fields?

Now I have been looking for books and courses which are meant for amateurs. So I came across this video of one of my favourite professors Prof Leonard Susskind. http://theoreticalminimum.com/courses/general-relativity/2012/fall/lecture-9.

In this lecture he has mentioned about Newtons field equations. How can there be Newtons field equations? Can somebody explain me what it means and what the variables stand for?

F= ma= -m∇Φ(x)

a= -∇Φ(x)
 
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Newton didn't know about fields when he proposed his gravity law. But that doesn't mean his law can't be formulated in terms of fields.
In this formulation, there is a scalar field called \Phi called the gravitational potential and a vector field \vec g=-\vec \nabla \Phi called gravitational acceleration such that a particle at position \vec r has acceleration \vec g (\vec r).
 
The term "field" did not exist in Newton's time. However, the concept is implicit in Newton's gravitational law, because it assigns a particular value and direction of the force of gravity to every spatial location.
 
voko said:
it assigns a particular value and direction of the force of gravity to every spatial location.

Do you mean that the spatial location is the r (Distance from centre of object of mass M)? Also how does the vector "a" (Mentioned as "g" by Shyan) have a direction?
 
The magnitude of the force depends on the distance r between the objects and therefore on where in space the objects are located. Having a direction is what sets vectors apart from normal numbers. In the case of gravity, the force (and hence acceleration) has the direction "towards the gravitating body".
 
Poisson's equation, ## \nabla^2 \Phi = 4 \pi G \rho ##, is the appropriate field equation for Newtonian gravity. The potential Φ is a scalar, and g is a vector because it has for each space dimension the gradient of Φ along that dimension.
 
avito009 said:
Do you mean that the spatial location is the r (Distance from centre of object of mass M)?

You cannot say "a spatial location is the distance from something", because there are infinitely many spatial locations at a distance from something, all in different directions. In addition to the distance, you must specify a direction.
 

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