The island is big and wooded in parts, How do they survive?

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The discussion revolves around survival strategies for a group of ten to twenty people shipwrecked on a desert island with limited resources. Participants explore various aspects of survival, including shelter construction, water sourcing, food gathering, and social organization, while considering the challenges posed by the environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the immediate need to find fresh water as the top priority for survival.
  • Several contributions suggest building shelter as a crucial step, with varying opinions on the type of shelter to construct.
  • There are differing views on the necessity of clothing and hygiene, with some arguing that clothing is optional while others stress its importance for protection against the elements.
  • Participants propose various methods for food sourcing, including foraging for fruits and berries, fishing, and trapping game.
  • Some suggest establishing a leadership system or council to manage group dynamics and decision-making, while others advocate for a more democratic approach without a designated leader.
  • There are conflicting ideas about the use of fire, with one participant humorously suggesting burning down the forest to signal for help, while others focus on using fire for cooking and warmth.
  • Concerns about morale and social organization are raised, highlighting the importance of maintaining group cohesion and discipline.
  • Some participants mention the potential for long-term survival strategies, such as tracking celestial bodies for navigation and planning for seasonal changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of finding fresh water and building shelter, but there are multiple competing views on leadership, food sourcing, and the role of clothing and hygiene. The discussion remains unresolved with various strategies and opinions presented.

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Limitations include assumptions about the island's environment, the availability of resources, and the group's skills. The discussion does not resolve the effectiveness of proposed survival strategies or the feasibility of certain actions.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals interested in survival skills, group dynamics in crisis situations, and outdoor enthusiasts exploring theoretical scenarios of survival in remote environments.

  • #271
hypatia said:
I have the ax and I know how to use it,{tosses it, and sticks it into the tree above your head} you have the horn. Now let's go

Lisa look back a page or two ..your answer is there
Yeah, but I need an expert to answer my question.
 
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  • #272
hypatia said:
ok, but when your cold, hurt or hungry, you will have only lisa to help you. grabs the ax and the horn...and heads off.
Don't take my horn, please I beg you!

Follows hypatia obediently..
 
  • #273
That was a year ago, as Hpatia and arildno walk away we jump back to the
present, The house is built and furnished with beds table and chairs, Astro also
built a separate kitchen house and we stocked it with pots and pans made from
the wreaked plane, Brewie and Danger built a forge and made shovels axes
all manner of tools, and now_____________________________?
 
  • #274
wolram said:
That was a year ago, as Hpatia and arildno walk away we jump back to the
present, The house is built and furnished with beds table and chairs, Astro also
built a separate kitchen house and we stocked it with pots and pans made from
the wreaked plane, Brewie and Danger built a forge and made shovels axes
all manner of tools, and now_____________________________?
are you dreaming?
 
  • #275
Lisa! said:
are you dreaming?
Nope you are a year older now
and a lot less cantankerous now Hypatia and Moonbear have schooled you
some.
 
  • #276
wolram said:
Nope you are a year older now
and a lot less cantankerous now Hypatia and Moonbear have schooled you
some.
come on!I'm worried about you.The next year, we're not here.we'll leave here very soon.Although I really miss this beautiful Island and my friends!
 
  • #277
Lisa! said:
come on!I'm worried about you.The next year, we're not here.we'll leave here very soon.Although I really miss this beautiful Island and my friends!

Not to worry Lisa, we can't leave the island it has a mysterious force that won't let us go
 
  • #278
wolram said:
A group of ten to twenty people are ship wrecked on a desert island, they have basic hand tools and food and water that will last for two days, no one knows they survived the ship wreck, so no chance of rescue.
The island is big and wooded in parts, How do they survive?

I'm not willing to read through 19 pages to see if anyone else mentioned this, but 'desert' islands are not wooded in parts. It sounds like you're thinking of a tropical rainforest island. If that's the case, it should be pretty easy to survive. It'll never get cold enough to freeze, you can sleep on the beach to avoid predators, and venture into the woods during the day to collect fruit and roots to eat. There should be plenty of rain collected in leaves, and that should suffice to drink.

If it's truly a 'desert' island, though, it's time to start eating your mates and drinking their blood. They could fish, though. My grandfather stayed alive in the south Pacific after a shipwreck during WWII for three months eating fish and drinking their blood. I suppose you could do so indefinitely.
 
  • #279
wow a year has past, seems like almost yeaterday that we became stranded here.
On one of my walk abouts, I noticed some strange carving on the bottom of Hypatias rock. There is also a grave nearby.
 
  • #280
hypatia said:
wow a year has past, seems like almost yeaterday that we became stranded here.
On one of my walk abouts, I noticed some strange carving on the bottom of Hypatias rock. There is also a grave nearby.

Was the grave recent or old ? the scavengers also noted the markings on the
stone, i don't know if they depict anything or not, it is certainly not natural, the
stone has been placed with some care.
 
  • #281
wolram said:
That was a year ago, as Hpatia and arildno walk away we jump back to the
present, The house is built and furnished with beds table and chairs, Astro also
built a separate kitchen house and we stocked it with pots and pans made from
the wreaked plane, Brewie and Danger built a forge and made shovels axes
all manner of tools, and now_____________________________?

Dammit, Brewnog! Get over here and help with your son! Can't you find something we can make diapers out of? What a mess the boy makes! (Sorry Danger, we never did find anything that would work as a contraceptive and that day Arildno slipped on his chaperone duties and went off to lounge about the hot springs with Hypatia, well, nature took its course).
 
  • #282
Moonbear said:
Dammit, Brewnog! Get over here and help with your son! Can't you find something we can make diapers out of? What a mess the boy makes! (Sorry Danger, we never did find anything that would work as a contraceptive and that day Arildno slipped on his chaperone duties and went off to lounge about the hot springs with Hypatia, well, nature took its course).

What are you going to call him moonbear? is he hairy
 
  • #283
I think we will have to build moonie and danger a cabin of their own now that
they are an item, i do not know much about babies but with the lack of fall out
protection would it be best if we build him a pen outside, we could make it
nice and comfy.
 
  • #284
but I thought it was brewnogs baby?

The grave, looks to be less then 5 years old. It contains the body of a male..around 30 yrs of age. Looks like he was in good health, his teeth are in good shape, tho it appears he's never seen a dentist. The remains of his hair are blond. About 6 ft tall. Hes wearing the tattered reminats of home made cloths...hmm that's odd, does that look like sachel under him?
 
  • #285
Ah, Arildno - I was being complimentary.
I was too scared to go exploring that underwater cave and I figured seeing as you are all big and brave that you would be able to explore it.
I'm sorry if I was wrong. And hey, I don't have a place name either...

I can't be bothered to go back through all the posts but in answer to the question - "what happened to our ship":
It sank "mysteriously" about 20miles offf the coast of Wooley Island, we survived because we were above deck around the pool.
We were lucky because one life boat came adrift and we all got in that.
Unfortunately after about 6 hours rowing we hit the reef that runs around Wooley Island (there is a VERY steep drop off) and had to swim for the shore.

And to the one who said desert islands aren't wooded...
Desert Island is a commonisation meaning "deserted island" and you will find that this was covered on the first few pages.
 
  • #286
wolram said:
That was a year ago, as Hpatia and arildno walk away we jump back to the
present, The house is built and furnished with beds table and chairs, Astro also
built a separate kitchen house and we stocked it with pots and pans made from
the wreaked plane, Brewie and Danger built a forge and made shovels axes
all manner of tools, and now_____________________________?
My how time flies! Seems like only - this morning. :biggrin:

I see brewnog has been busy.

hypatia said:
but I thought it was brewnogs baby?
Well, yes, Moonbear made that clear. Then I suppose its a matter of maternity, but I thought by Moonbear's declaration, she was the mom. And I thought we had a little brewbear.

Well, I have been busy, exploring and building, so apparently I have missed some details.
 
  • #287
Astronuc said:
I see brewnog has been busy.

Well, yes, Moonbear made that clear. Then I suppose its a matter of maternity, but I thought by Moonbear's declaration, she was the mom. And I thought we had a little brewbear.

Oh, goodness, no! I'm not the mother. I have enough trouble keeping up with Franzbear and his 17 strings in the other thread! No more e-children for me! I'm just babysitting for Kia. :biggrin:
 
  • #288
hypatia said:
The grave, looks to be less then 5 years old. It contains the body of a male..around 30 yrs of age. Looks like he was in good health, his teeth are in good shape, tho it appears he's never seen a dentist. The remains of his hair are blond. About 6 ft tall. Hes wearing the tattered reminats of home made cloths...hmm that's odd, does that look like sachel under him?

A mystery to solve it seems, get that sachel Hypatia i can't wait to know
whats in it, Any sign of the cause of death?
 
  • #289
wolram said:
I think we will have to build moonie and danger a cabin of their own now that
they are an item, i do not know much about babies but with the lack of fall out
protection would it be best if we build him a pen outside, we could make it
nice and comfy.
This joyous event calls for a new naming of our home. Since we're building a pen to his honour, I vote for renaming our island to Pen Island.
 
  • #290
arildno said:
This joyous event calls for a new naming of our home. Since we're building a pen to his honour, I vote for renaming our island to Pen Island.

What you treacherous dog, this is woolie island, and i will
bi sect any that challenge the name.
 
  • #291
Whoah!

I go offline for 2 days to come back and find that a year's passed, and I've got a love child which was conceived on a night I don't even remember!

Do we know who the mother is yet? Is it time for me to make good my escape from this place?
 
  • #292
brewnog said:
Whoah!

I go offline for 2 days to come back and find that a year's passed, and I've got a love child which was conceived on a night I don't even remember!

Do we know who the mother is yet? Is it time for me to make good my escape from this place?
There is no escape old chum, you may or may not have had your wicked way.
but in the future keep away from that still.
 
  • #293
brewnog said:
Whoah!

I go offline for 2 days to come back and find that a year's passed, and I've got a love child which was conceived on a night I don't even remember!

Do we know who the mother is yet? Is it time for me to make good my escape from this place?
The concoction from your still was clearly involved. But you're going to be in really hot water from Wolram if you don't marry Kia quite soon (literally, he's got that kettle already on the fire bringing the water up to a boil as we speak!) :eek:
 
  • #294
Moonbear said:
The concoction from your still was clearly involved. But you're going to be in really hot water from Wolram if you don't marry Kia quite soon (literally, he's got that kettle already on the fire bringing the water up to a boil as we speak!) :eek:

This is really difficult because in another thread i promised to be good, and as
Kia can not have babies, i think some one is hidding the truth, where was Hypatia the last few weeks? and i haven't seen Lisa about for a while, she did
seem to be putting on weight rather fast.
 
  • #295
wolram said:
This is really difficult because in another thread i promised to be good, and as
Kia can not have babies, i think some one is hidding the truth, where was Hypatia the last few weeks? and i haven't seen Lisa about for a while, she did
seem to be putting on weight rather fast.
Did Kia steal someone's baby? She really never did show much, but I trusted her when she said it was hers. What if it isn't Brewnog's either? I mean, that was Kia's story, and I believed her, but maybe she just thought it was the only way she'd get Brewnog to marry her. What if it's Arildno's! Oldest trick in the book, you know, claim you're gay to get the women all snuggled around close! :eek:

Dum dum dum! It seems we have a mystery on Woolie's Island, and it's not just the dead guy in the grave! The gossip mills are running full speed ahead (oh, okay, that's just our windmill that Danger and Brewnog rigged up to mill flour from the edible plants we've found).
 
  • #296
Arildno's! , the cunning devil, now that we have a mill Moonbear will you
pretty please make me a berry pie :biggrin:

And by the way i am just so gay
 
  • #297
wolram said:
Arildno's! , the cunning devil, now that we have a mill Moonbear will you
pretty please make me a berry pie :biggrin:

And by the way i am just so gay

The time on that post was 3:16 PM EDT. Who wins on wolram being bad? :biggrin:

One pie coming up, but I get the last piece! :devil:
 
  • #298
Moonbear said:
The time on that post was 3:16 PM EDT. Who wins on wolram being bad? :biggrin:

One pie coming up, but I get the last piece! :devil:

That is just so not just i didnt do anything wrong or bad.

What about the custard? :biggrin:
 
  • #299
*Kia* said:
hehehe that sounds so odd to think of eating poi... You see I DO poi - as in dance with fire (although not so often with fire usually with lights)
And, dare I hope, also with a brass pole? :-p

hypatia said:
I noticed some strange carving on the bottom of Hypatias rock.
Hmm... And to think that that last time I tried to inspect Hypatia's bottom, I got slapped.

Moonbear said:
Dammit, Brewnog! Get over here and help with your son! Can't you find something we can make diapers out of? What a mess the boy makes! (Sorry Danger, we never did find anything that would work as a contraceptive and that day Arildno slipped on his chaperone duties and went off to lounge about the hot springs with Hypatia, well, nature took its course).
Let this put an end to the question of parentage. Sorry, Brewski, but it looks like you're stuck with the Joisy Gal.

Now, Woolie... is there any possibility that you meant a calcite eruption in regard to the shipwreck?

hypatia said:
I thikn I will need a few spear like weapons, just to have around the kitchen area.
Its a great site for a permanet shelter!
No fear on that account, darlin'. The entire encampment is secured by the AstroDanger Security Service. Since the cooking facilities are in the second most invulnerable position (after sleeping quarters), you have no need to worry. Just as our lives depend upon your knowledge of vegetation and first-aid, we defend yours with our own expertise. As the sign on my driveway says "Trespassers Will Be Executed".
Arildno, since Wooley very loudly proclaimed "I am so gay!", I assume that there's one social dynamic taken care of. Whether or not that's correct, I'll gladly have you on board the Nasty Boys team for offensive/defensive purposes. And fear not in one regard; I fully hope that with your help we can build a reasonably effective linear accelerator. We probably won't be able to detect any significant particle interactions, but we can sure as hell launch a couple of SOS messages.
Kia... awesome map. I must check, however, before I become too piggish... another thread seemed to indicate that you're not unattached. So is your significant other joining us, or may I letch upon you with impunity? :-p
 
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  • #300
Danger said:
Now, Woolie... is there any possibility that you meant a calcite eruption in regard to the shipwreck?
No, it was a methane "clathrate" eruption, or something similar. When a gas bubbles up through a liquid, such that the density decreases dramatically, the liquid, in this case - seawater - cannot support objects, such as ships - which sink.
 

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