liorde said:
I'm still a little bit confused...
Unfortunately so am I. I don't know this subject as well as I'd want to, but I'll try to answer anyway. I'm going to have to repeat some of what I said in my previous posts, but this is at least getting a little clearer in my head each time I improve the explanation.
liorde said:
So you're saying that the commutation relations of the algebra (= the structure constants) do not include all the information about the group?
The commutation relations define the algebra completely. This is one of three important parts of the answer to your question.
For example, if ##\big\{J_i\big|i\in\{1,2,3\}\big\}## is the basis of a 3-dimensional Lie algebra, and ##[J_i,J_j]=i\varepsilon_{ijk}J_k##, then that Lie algebra is (isomorphic to) su(2).
Suppose that R is a representation of su(2). This means that R is a Lie algebra homomorphism into a Lie algebra whose members are linear operators on a vector space, and whose Lie bracket is the commutator. So the definitions of "representation" and "su(2)" imply that ##[R(J_i),R(J_j)]=i\varepsilon_{ijk}R(J_k)##. Let's simplify the notation by defining ##K_i=R(J_i)##. The ##K_i## satisfy commutation relations that are identical to the Lie bracket relations of the ##J_i##. Since ##[K^2,K_3]=0##, these two operators may have simultaneous eigenvectors. The commutation relations for the ##K_i## imply that
if there's a simultaneous eigenvector ##\mathbf{v}##, then there exist numbers (j,m) such that ##j\in\{0,1/2,1,3/2,\dots\}##, ##m\in\{-j,-j+1,\dots,j-1,j\}##, and
\begin{align}
K^2\mathbf{v} &=j(j+1)\mathbf{v}\\
K_3\mathbf{v} &=m\mathbf{v}.
\end{align} It's convenient to denote this ##\mathbf{v}## by ##|jm\rangle##.
The commutation relations do
not imply that there exists such ##|jm\rangle## for each (j,m) such that ##j\in\{0,1/2,1,3/2,\dots\}## and ##m\in\{-j,-j+1,\dots,j-1,j\}##. Such things are determined by the function R, not by the commutation relations. That's the second important part of the answer to your question.
For example, if
\begin{align}
\sigma_1 &=\begin{pmatrix}0 & 1\\ 1 & 0\end{pmatrix},\qquad
\sigma_2 =\begin{pmatrix}0 & -i\\ i & 0\end{pmatrix},\qquad
\sigma_3 =\begin{pmatrix}1 & 0\\ 0 & -1\end{pmatrix}\\
K_i &=R(J_i)=\frac{i}{2}\sigma_i,
\end{align} then the ##K_i## satisfy the commutation relations, but every simultaneous eigenvector ##|jm\rangle## has j=1/2 and m=±-1/2. So there are only two of them. This was to be expected, because the vector space on which the linear operators (here represented by 2×2 matrices) are defined is 2-dimensional.
The third important part of the answer to your question is that even though the commutation relations define the Lie algebra, they do not determine the Lie group, because two Lie groups can have the same Lie algebra. For example SO(3) and SU(2) have the same Lie algebra, su(2). I'm not sure, but it
may be the case that for each finite-dimensional Lie algebra g there's exactly one
simply connected Lie group with Lie algebra g. SO(3) isn't simply connected, but SU(2) is. SU(2) is homeomorphic to a 3-sphere, while SO(3) is homeomorphic to a 3-sphere with opposite points identified. In other words, SO(3) can be thought of as the collection of 1-dimensional subspaces of ##\mathbb R^4##.
liorde said:
Two algebras (e.g L and L+S) can have the exact same commutation relations but correspond to different groups?
No, I don't think so. If they have the same commutation relations, they define the same algebra, but then each algebra corresponds to several groups.
liorde said:
(in our example, L doesn't have a j=1/2 representation while L+S does, hence L and L+S are not isomorphic)?
The algebras are isomorphic, but the representations aren't equivalent.
liorde said:
What additional structure do we need to define on the algebra so that it let's us tell apart two seemingly equivalent algebras?
Here you seem to be talking about different representations of the same Lie algebra, rather than different Lie algebras. They are distinguished by the dimension of the vector space that's the domain of the operator, and by the possible values of j and m for |jm> vectors in that space.
liorde said:
Does the following question has a definite answer: "what are precisely the irreducible representations of the group G ?" ? Can we know, without defining additional structure, if G has irreducible representations in vector spaces of all finite dimensions? Or is there missing information and hence we can't determine which representations exist? Is G isomorphic to the proper orthochronous Lorentz transformations?
I don't know the theorems about reconstruction of the group from the algebra well, but I think the answer is that yes, G is isomorphic to the proper orthochronous Lorentz group, and therefore its Lie algebra has representations in which "eigenvalue" variables like j and m have other values that are consistent with the commutation relations, and not just the values they could have in |jm> vectors in the domain of the original Q operators.
liorde said:
Since both {{L_{\mu \nu }}} and {{L_{\mu \nu }} + {S_{\mu \nu }}} obey the same commutation relations that {{Q_{\mu \nu }}} does, but {{L_{\mu \nu }}} doesn't have representations that {{L_{\mu \nu }} + {S_{\mu \nu }}} does, I'm wondering where is the missing information. [/B]
I think this is the proper way to view the L+S thing: Let ##J_{\mu\nu}## denote the components of an antisymmetric matrix whose 6 independent components are the generators of the abstractly defined proper orthochronous Lorentz group. The map ##J_{\mu\nu}\mapsto L_{\mu\nu}## defines a representation of the Lie algebra on ##L^2(\mathbb R^3)##. The map ##J_{\mu\nu}\mapsto S_{\mu\nu}## defines a representation of the Lie algebra on ##\mathbb C^{2j+1}##. The map ##J_{\mu\nu}\mapsto L_{\mu\nu}+S_{\mu\nu}## defines a representation on the orthogonal direct sum ##L^2(\mathbb R^3)\oplus \mathbb C^{2j+1}##. This means that we can also think of ##L_{\mu\nu}## as the restriction of ##L_{\mu\nu}+S_{\mu\nu}## to a proper subspace, and ##S_{\mu\nu}## as the restriction of ##L_{\mu\nu}+S_{\mu\nu}## to the orthogonal complement of that proper subspace. The j and m values of the |jm> vectors in these two mutually orthogonal subspaces are determined by the representations, not by the algebras, so differences are to be expected.