The Meaning of TM11 and TE10/TE01 Modes

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The discussion revolves around the identification and physical meaning of the lowest order TM (Transverse Magnetic) and TE (Transverse Electric) modes, specifically TM11 and TE10 (or TE01), in the context of waveguides. Participants explore theoretical aspects and implications of these modes.

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  • One participant questions the physical meaning of the lowest order modes TM11 and TE10 (or TE01) and seeks clarification on their significance.
  • Another participant suggests that the inquiry may belong in the homework section, indicating a need for more context, such as the specific waveguide being discussed.
  • A participant asserts that this is not a homework question and references lecture notes that state the lowest order modes must be TM11 and TE10 (or TE01), expressing confusion about this assertion.
  • One participant provides a detailed explanation involving the superposition of uniform plane waves and discusses the implications of boundary conditions on the electric field, suggesting that this reasoning can be extended to understand why TM11 and TE10 (or TE01) are the lowest modes.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the physical meaning of the modes or the context of the question. There are differing views on whether the inquiry is appropriate for a homework section and varying levels of understanding regarding the lowest order modes.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the waveguide and the specific conditions under which the modes are defined are not fully articulated, leaving room for interpretation and further exploration.

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Why is the lowest order TM and TE mode TM11 and TE10(or TE01)? What is the physical meaning of the different orders of the modes?
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I'm going to guess this belongs in the homework section and definitely need more information needs to be provided, like what is the waveguide?
 
no, this is not homework, my lecture notes said the lowest order needs to be TM11 and TE10(or TE01), but I don't really understand it.
 
If you consider the expression for the superposition of two uniform plane waves propagating symmetrically with respect to the z-axis, you will see that it contains a factor in the form of sin(\beta x \ cos\ \theta). This factor describes the the standing wave character (here, in the x-direction). When this factor is zero (i.e., when \beta x \ cos\ \theta =\ m\pi where m = 0, 1, 2, 3, ...) the electric field is, of course, also zero.

This is interesting because it means we can place two perfectly conducting sheets in the planes x = 0 and x = m\lambda /(2\ cos\ \theta), without violating the boundary conditions (i.e., zero tangential electric field etc).

The fields will have m number of one-half apparent wavelengths in the x-direction between the plates.

This line of reasoning can be extended to a three-dimensional case where a quick glance at the field expressions for TE and TM waves will reveal why TM1,1 and TE1,0 or 0,1 are the lowest possible modes. Plug in m=n=0 for in the expression for TE waves or m = 0 or n = 0 for TM waves and see what happens.
 
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