The more you sleep, the more you feel tired?

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The discussion revolves around the experiences and concerns of a high school student regarding excessive sleep and persistent tiredness. Participants explore various potential causes for feeling tired despite sleeping more than the average recommended hours, including physiological, psychological, and lifestyle factors. The conversation touches on dreaming patterns, sleep quality, and the impact of adolescence on sleep needs.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that excessive sleep could lead to feelings of tiredness, with personal anecdotes indicating that oversleeping can result in grogginess.
  • Others propose that factors such as diet, stress, hormonal changes, and sleep disorders like sleep apnea might contribute to the student's fatigue.
  • One participant mentions the importance of deep sleep stages for physical repair and the role of dreaming in mental health, while others question the relationship between REM sleep and muscle repair.
  • Several participants highlight the variability in sleep needs among individuals, particularly during adolescence, suggesting that the student’s experience may be typical for their age group.
  • There are discussions about the potential impact of lifestyle choices, such as caffeine consumption and exercise, on energy levels.
  • Some participants express concern about the implications of very low sleep hours observed in peers, emphasizing the potential negative effects on health.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the causes of the student's tiredness. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the relationship between sleep duration, quality, and overall well-being.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of medical evaluation for the student’s symptoms, the variability in individual sleep needs, and the complexity of sleep science, which remains an area of ongoing research.

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I am an ordinary high school studnet and I sleep about ten hours a day while many of my friends in my home country sleep about three-four hours a day. It looks like I sleep more than the average, where I have heard that an abverage person sleeps 8 hours a day, but I always feel tired. Also, I dream every night, but I didn't when I was young.
 
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Hmmmm... are you overweight? Do you snore? You might have sleepp apnea...

Or you could just be a sleepy guy, people do vary.
 
nismaratwork said:
Hmmmm... are you overweight? Do you snore? You might have sleepp apnea...

Or you could just be a sleepy guy, people do vary.

I am actually rather underweight, 5'6 and 140. And I don't think I snore. Maybe because my school is like 20 minutes away by car. I wasn't that tired last year when I went to school nearby.

But still, I am just curious why I dream everyday.
 
Ok, well, swing and a miss on my part! Sorry man... it may be allergies, or diet, or simply stress, workload or hormones.

It COULD be some kind of anemia, but I doubt it.
 
nismaratwork said:
Hmmmm... are you overweight? Do you snore? You might have sleepp apnea...

Or you could just be a sleepy guy, people do vary.

nismaratwork said:
Ok, well, swing and a miss on my part! Sorry man... it may be allergies, or diet, or simply stress, workload or hormones.

It COULD be some kind of anemia, but I doubt it.

I think it just because of my endocrine system. It secretes excessive hormones than the average. My nose get greasy 30 minutes after I take shower (I take shower 3 times a day because of this!) and I got loads of acnes on my face, even on my back.
 
l-1j-cho said:
I think it just because of my endocrine system. It secretes excessive hormones than the average. My nose get greasy 30 minutes after I take shower (I take shower 3 times a day because of this!) and I got loads of acnes on my face, even on my back.

You're in HS, so... puberty man, it sounds perfectly normal to me. No fun at all of course, but normal, and sleepy teens are not uncommon. :wink:

As long as apnea isn't an issue, and clearly it's not likely to be, just try not to get too dependent on caffeine; that's for late college and grad school.
 
l-1j-cho said:
I am an ordinary high school studnet and I sleep about ten hours a day while many of my friends in my home country sleep about three-four hours a day. It looks like I sleep more than the average, where I have heard that an abverage person sleeps 8 hours a day, but I always feel tired. Also, I dream every night, but I didn't when I was young.

Well, I sleep almost 9 hours per day on average.
I think it is because I tend to think more than other people.

Nowadays I don't dream much any more, but I usually do when there are things bothering me.
Like whether a girl likes me or not, or when I'm stuck on a problem that frustrates me.
Or when I'm not functioning well in a group environment. Or when I feel pressured by expectations.
 
nismaratwork said:
just try not to get too dependent on caffeine; that's for late college and grad school.

hang on a sec, do you pull all-nighters often in college?
 
Personal anecdote, but whenever I oversleep, I get tired. If you cut down your hours a bit and get up and start exercising every mornin, you may, like me, find more energy comes out of it.

How many meals do you eat a day? Don't skip breakfast!
 
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Pythagorean said:
Personal anecdote, but whenever I oversleep, I get tired. If you cut down your hours a bit and get up and start exercising every mornin, you may, like me, find more energy comes out of it.

How many meals do you eat a day? Don't skip breakfast!

I never skip breakfast :) Although I might miss my bus sometimes
 
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Teenagers generally need a little more sleep than adults. The only time HGH is released in the human body is during the deep stages of sleep, so getting a good night's sleep is important for teens.

Talk to a doctor if you're concerned, do not take my advice, but it sounds pretty normal to me.
 
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l-1j-cho said:
I am an ordinary high school studnet and I sleep about ten hours a day while many of my friends in my home country sleep about three-four hours a day. It looks like I sleep more than the average, where I have heard that an abverage person sleeps 8 hours a day, but I always feel tired. Also, I dream every night, but I didn't when I was young.

Go to your personal physician and report this if it's been bothering you, there are several possible causes ranging from physiological to psychological though you need to be properly checked by a certified medical professional.
 
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i think dreaming is a good sign. it was when i wasn't dreaming that things were going downhill.

there is another aspect to this, too. you might want to experiment a bit to find your optimal sleep time. i can't go much below 7 without problems, and if i get more than 9 i can expect to feel groggy the rest of the day.

3-4 hours a day is insane. that kind of crap is what turns docs into soulless psychos.
 
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l-1j-cho said:
hang on a sec, do you pull all-nighters often in college?

I would say...

"You have three elements to scholastic life:
1.) A social life
2.) Your work
3.) Sleep

Pick two."

To some degree, that's true depending on how well you handle your academics and social predilictions. Sleep is usually what suffers however, although your way of sleeping is FAR better for your health, and learning.

I suspect that your sleep is a result of a growing lad, and that means more muscle repair during REM, more energy expended.

@Proton Soup: I wish you were exaggerating, but you're not... and it's too damned true. Nothing like seeing an attending with the million mile stare, because you know the residents must be the walking dead.
 
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Proton Soup said:
i think dreaming is a good sign. it was when i wasn't dreaming that things were going downhill.

there is another aspect to this, too. you might want to experiment a bit to find your optimal sleep time. i can't go much below 7 without problems, and if i get more than 9 i can expect to feel groggy the rest of the day.

3-4 hours a day is insane. that kind of crap is what turns docs into soulless psychos.

Dreaming is primarily an occurrence during REM sleep, which is also a period where the majority of muscle repair occurs, and many of the benefits of memory and learning "organization" and enhancement occurs. No dreams tends to mean that your sleep is being disturbed by some chemical or environmental issue.
 
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nismaratwork said:
Dreaming is primarily an occurrence during REM sleep, which is also a period where the majority of muscle repair occurs, and many of the benefits of memory and learning "organization" and enhancement occurs. No dreams tends to mean that your sleep is being disturbed by some chemical or environmental issue.

I thought that muscle repairs chiefly occurred during delta wave sleep.

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/excessive-sleepiness-10/sleep-101

During the deep stages of NREM sleep, the body repairs and regenerates tissues, builds bone and muscle, and appears to strengthen the immune system.

(NREM means Non-REM)
 
  • #17
Jack21222 said:
I thought that muscle repairs chiefly occurred during delta wave sleep.

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/excessive-sleepiness-10/sleep-101



(NREM means Non-REM)

It's not clear, because it IS during stage 4 (NREM) that growth hormone is secreted, but it seems to be during REM, AFAIK, that the actual repairs occur. Perhaps it has something to do with the paralyitic effects of REM... honestly, sleep and dreams and how it all works is not that clear.
 
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l-1j-cho said:
I am an ordinary high school studnet and I sleep about ten hours a day while many of my friends in my home country sleep about three-four hours a day. It looks like I sleep more than the average, where I have heard that an abverage person sleeps 8 hours a day, but I always feel tired. Also, I dream every night, but I didn't when I was young.

I was just like that around the same age. The intense dreams, constantly, actually keeping me asleep. Difficult to describe. Impossible to stop the dreaming, yet also impossible to wake up from them.

Things finally changed when I discovered alcohol, although I wouldn't recommend that.

Hmm, in retrospect, perhaps you should seek some help... :rolleyes:

(but I'm feeling much better now)
 

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