The Nth Term Test for Divergence

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The discussion revolves around the nth term test for divergence, specifically examining the series 1/34 + 1/35 + 1/36 + … + 1/1,000,034 and its behavior as n approaches infinity. Participants are exploring the implications of the limit of the terms approaching zero and its relationship to convergence and divergence.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conditions under which the nth term test can be applied, questioning the interpretation of limits and divergence. There is an exploration of the distinction between necessary and sufficient conditions for convergence.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the nth term test, noting common misunderstandings. There is recognition of the need for further exploration of alternative tests for convergence, as well as acknowledgment of the limitations of the nth term test when the limit approaches zero.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of series convergence, with specific reference to the harmonic series and the implications of removing finite terms. There is also a mention of potential misinterpretations regarding the limits of sequences in the context of the nth term test.

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Homework Statement


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Here is an nth term test for determining divergence, I think I have it, but wanted another opinion --

1/34 + 1/35 + 1/36+ … + 1/1,000,034 -- I

Homework Equations



∑(upper limit ∞)(lower limit n=0) 1/(n+34)

The Attempt at a Solution



1/34 + 1/35 + 1/36+ … + 1/1,000,034 -- I see this eventually hits zero when the numbers get very large.

for a series ∑n=1∞an, if lim n→∞ of an ≠ 0, then the series diverges.

So, the nth term test fails because we have a convergent limit at zero, am I right?

Thank you,

SY
 
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SYoungblood said:
So, the nth term test fails because we have a convergent limit at zero, am I right?

Thank you,

SY

Exactly. A zero limit is necessary but not sufficient to determine convergence.

Also: this series diverges because it is simply the harmonic series minus the first 33 terms.
 
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Be sure that you understand that the "divergence test" says that \sum_0^\infty a_n diverges if a_n does not go to 0. If the sequence does go to 0, as is the case here, there is no conclusion. You cannot draw any conclusion as to divergence.
 
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SYoungblood said:

Homework Statement


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Here is an nth term test for determining divergence, I think I have it, but wanted another opinion --

1/34 + 1/35 + 1/36+ … + 1/1,000,034 -- I

Homework Equations



∑(upper limit ∞)(lower limit n=0) 1/(n+34)

The Attempt at a Solution



1/34 + 1/35 + 1/36+ … + 1/1,000,034 -- I see this eventually hits zero when the numbers get very large.

for a series ∑n=1∞an, if lim n→∞ of an ≠ 0, then the series diverges.

So, the nth term test fails because we have a convergent limit at zero, am I right?

Thank you,

SY
You are misunderstanding the Nth Term Test, which is a very common mistake for calculus students.

In one form, the theorem says this:
"In a series ##\sum a_n##, if the series converges, then ##\lim_{a_n} = 0##."
An equivalent form is the converse, which is "In a series ##\sum a_n##, if ##\lim_{a_n} \neq 0##, then the series diverges.
The theorem says absolutely nothing about a series for which ##\lim_{a_n} = 0##. There are loads of series for which the nth term approaches zero. Some of the converge (e.g., geometric series) and some of the diverge (e.g., harmonic series).
 
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The funny thing was, I told myself I wouldn't make that mistake several times.

So, of course I did. Calculus is a humbling adversary.

I wanted to try one more -- ∑(upper limit ∞)(lower limit n=0) cos (9/n)

I have the nth term test failing because the limit approaches zero as n gets huge, and the cosine equalling one.

I got this problem out of a well-known text and am just trying to make myself a little better.

Thank you for your time,

SY
 
SYoungblood said:
The funny thing was, I told myself I wouldn't make that mistake several times.

So, of course I did. Calculus is a humbling adversary.

I wanted to try one more -- ∑(upper limit ∞)(lower limit n=0) cos (9/n)

I suspect you mean the lower limit to be n =1, since \cos(\frac 90) is not defined.
I have the nth term test failing because the limit approaches zero as n gets huge, and the cosine equalling one.

Correct.
 
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I think that's what SYoungblood meant: the test doesn't apply because an has to approach zero in order to converge to infinity but that it's not enough (i.e. another test such as the "divergent series minus a finite number of terms"-test), so the test "fails".
 

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