The Spectrum for a pure electron plasma

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The discussion revolves around the spectrum of a pure electron plasma, particularly in the context of a recent Navy experiment involving cusp confinement and its implications for fusion power. Participants explore the composition of the plasma, the experimental setup, and the expected spectral outputs based on different plasma conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the composition of the plasma in the Navy experiment, suggesting that electrons are the dominant component, followed by hydrogen ions, carbon, and other elements.
  • Another participant notes that plasmas are typically macroscopically electrically neutral, consisting of electrons and ions from the original atoms.
  • A participant clarifies that the experiment specifically involved a negatively charged plasma, challenging the quasineutral assumption.
  • Details are provided about the experimental setup, including the injection of electrons and the control of various parameters during the plasma formation process.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the expected spectral output from the plasma cloud and suggests that understanding the plasma generation process is crucial.
  • A later reply asserts that a pure electron plasma does not have a spectrum, explaining that light emission in plasmas typically requires the presence of other ion species for line emission and bremsstrahlung processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of a spectrum for a pure electron plasma, with some arguing that it cannot produce a spectrum without other ion species, while others discuss the implications of the experimental setup and plasma composition without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of plasma behavior and the dependence on specific conditions, such as the presence of different ion species and the methods used to generate the plasma. There are unresolved questions regarding the expected spectral outputs and the implications of the experimental findings.

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Hello All,

In this recent Navy publication, a team of researchers said they have discovered cusp confinement. This could be a major step towards fusion power. I am working on a write up of this publication. I am trying to understand their inferometry data. As far as I can tell, the plasma was made of (in order by strength):

1. Electrons (likely the greatest component)
2. Hydrogen ions/neutrals
3. Carbon
4. A noble gas of some kind
5. Air/junk (negligible amount)

These things were probably (+), (-) and neutrals.

Does anyone have the spectrum for a pure electron plasma?
 
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Plasmas usally are macroscopically electrically neutral, consisting of electrons and ions from the original atoms.
 
This experiment specifically went for (-) plasma; AKA the "quasineutral" assumption does not apply. The Navy/LANL team injected 3 amps of electrons for 150 microseconds at 7,200 volts. This is what the device looked like compared to earlier (2005) experiments:

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This was inside a cube vacuum chamber, 45 cm a side. The electron guns were the blue objects. The plasma guns are in red. For a shot, the Navy had control of three variables: (1) plasma gun (2) electron gun and (3) the containing magnetic field. Here is a timeline of one shot:

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This experiment had five stages to it:

1. Control - The chamber is under vacuum (no pressure is given) and magnetic fields are on.

2. Injection - This is when the electron and plasma guns are switched on.

3. Formation

4. High Beta Mode - This is the fabled "cusped plasma confinement"; long predicted, never observed.

5. Dissipation

The navy is proving all of this by interpreting the radiation off of the cloud. For example their hard X-ray data shows high plasma confinement.

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Much of their data comes from shielded detectors, reading a light signal. In visible, X-ray, ect.. I need a better understanding of expected output from a plasma cloud like this. For example, if the cloud was just deuterium the light coming off of it would look like this:

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In this case, the navy blocked all but the H-Alpha line. That is the spike at 656 nanometers.

Unfortunately, I can only guess at what the plasma was made of (see my list above). The odd component was carbon. Normally, the system would be deuterium, deuterium+, electrons and a trace of junk. They injected carbon. Finally, I know there are formulas to predict these spectra and that maybe a good place to start.
 
I won't try to answer your question, since it is not an area of expertise for me. However my guess is that how the plasma is generated would be a major determining factor.
 
A pure electron plasma doesn't have a spectrum. You need some other ion species in there. There are two major types of light emission from a plasma: line emission and bremsstrahlung. Line emission comes from electrons bound to nuclei, so there is none from free electrons. Bremsstrahlung comes from the interaction between two different species in a plasma, such as electrons and hydrogen ions. You don't get bremsstrahlung from a pure electron plasma.
 

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