The Thread About Psychics: Skepticism, Proof, and Double-Talk

[Fredrik]

Why was the thread about psychics closed? Ivan, are you an administrator here who closes threads to make sure you get the last word?

I have a few comments about the things you said, but I would have preferred to post them in the thread where the discussion started.

I ask for proof so I get double-talk. I think this makes things pretty clear. When someone claims evidence for ghosts or ESP, do the skeptics go out and get proof to support the claim. No, they demand proof from those who also argue for the claim.

We're not going to do experiments that we believe have absolutely no chance of success, that's true. But we do at least examine the evidence that the believers are offering us. You on the other hand, are refusing to do just that.

You didn't get double-talk. You asked for proof, and I told you where you can get it. What more do you need?

If you are defending Randi then you get the proof. Otherwise, consider yourself a hypocrite.

That's just ridicilous. You're making public accusations of fraud, against a man who is already providing evidence of his innocence to anyone who asks! That's more than enough to put the burden of proof on you.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I made no direct accusation of fraud; I am simply being a skeptic.

I asked for proof of Randi's million dollars and this creates a controversy? Very telling. I have looked for the proof and didn't find any. If and when you have a link that shows undeniable proof of the money then please post it. Until then, I am treating this as any other crackpot claim made without proof.

The only threads I have ever closed were of exactly the opposite nature. This is a first but I feel it is completely justified. [Edit] I can't think of anything that would be easier to prove; especially in this forum.

I will close any other threads about this until the undeniable proof of Randi's million dollars is posted. I think our James Randi fans should be held to the same standards as they hold everyone else. Double standards for crackpot claims are not allowed.

 

[R0man]

The thread about psychics was most likely closed because it violated the forum rules and guidelines. It is common for threads to be closed if they become too heated or if they are no longer productive in facilitating respectful and meaningful discussions. As for your question about me being an administrator, I am not. I am simply a member of this community who is voicing my thoughts on the matter.

As for the content of the thread, I can understand the frustration of wanting proof and feeling like it is not being provided. However, it is important to remember that everyone has their own beliefs and perspectives, and it is not productive to attack or accuse others of being hypocrites. Instead, we should strive to have open and respectful discussions, even if we may not agree with each other.

In regards to demanding proof from believers, it is important to approach the topic with an open mind and examine the evidence that is presented. It is not fair to dismiss something without even considering the evidence. At the same time, it is also understandable that skeptics may not want to waste their time on experiments that they believe have no chance of success. It is a delicate balance, but one that can be achieved through respectful and open communication.

In conclusion, the thread was most likely closed to prevent further escalation and to maintain a positive and respectful atmosphere in the forum. It is important to remember to approach discussions with an open mind and to refrain from personal attacks and accusations. Let's strive to have productive and respectful discussions in the future.