Theory of Relativity, a poor name?

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The discussion revolves around the naming of "The Theory of Relativity" and whether it is an appropriate title for the concepts it encompasses. Participants explore alternative names and the implications of renaming established theories, focusing on the clarity and accuracy of terminology in physics.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that "The Theory of Relativity" is a poor name, suggesting it obscures the radical shifts in understanding brought about by Einstein's theories.
  • One participant proposes "the theory of invariants" as a more suitable name, emphasizing the importance of invariant quantities in the theory.
  • Another participant questions the practical impact of agreeing on a new name, suggesting that established names are unlikely to change regardless of forum consensus.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the need to change the name, asserting that the existing terminology is well-established and serves its purpose.
  • There are suggestions for alternative names, such as "Theory of the Malleability of Space and Time," but these are met with criticism regarding their effectiveness and relevance.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of using precise terms like "invariant mass" to avoid misunderstandings, particularly regarding concepts like relativistic mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the appropriateness of the name "The Theory of Relativity" and whether it should be changed. Multiple competing views remain regarding the necessity and impact of renaming established theories.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the historical context of terminology and the evolution of understanding in physics, noting that early interpretations may have led to misunderstandings that persist in current discussions.

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Do you agree that “The Theory of Relativity" is a poor name? According to Mauldin in "how the trick may be done":

"It has long been remarked that “The Theory of Relativity” is a poor name for the Theory of Relativity. The usual justification for the name looks backward to pre-Relativistic space-time structure: the absolute temporal and spatial structures of (Neo-)Newtonian space-time (viz. simultaneity, lapse of time between events, and spatial dimension of objects) all become “relative to the observer” in Einstein’s theory. But this masks the radical nature of the shift to Special and General Relativity. In those theories, simultaneity, lapse of time between events, and spatial dimensions of objects rather become physically non-existant."

So what is a better name for it? We shouldn't use confusing words to a already confusing subject when conveying this to an average man on the street or the public.
 
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I believe Einstein said that a better name would be "the theory of invariants", since the real physical content of the theory is in the quantities that are invariant under coordinate transformations.
 
Do you think that if we all agree on this forum for a better name that it is going to make any difference in the world? Do you think the name would actually change?

While we're at it, how about we all agree to change the name "Newton's Law of Gravity" to "Newton's Approximation of Gravity" since that would be accurate instead of just wrong. Do you think we could get the world to go along with us?
 
I agree with phinds. The name is what it is. We can't even get rid of relativistic mass here.
 
Why should we change the well-established name "relativity theory" to distinguish this space-time model from the Newtonian space-time model?

What's indeed much more important is to get rid of the nonsense of something like a "relativistic mass". This comes from the misunderstanding of the very early "relativists", before the mathematician Minkowski has taught us physicists what the correct mathematical formulation of the theory is. Let's only call mass what's known as "invariant mass" (which is a Lorentz scalar as its name suggests) and call energy the time component of the energy-momentum four vector. That eliminates a lot of misunderstandings. If in doubt it's always good to formulate anything in terms of covariant quantities (particularly in electromagnetism, and not only in the "microscopic" but the more in the "macroscopic" formulation, including the standard contitutive relations of linear response macroscopic electromagnetics). That would be a great goal for the coming new year!
 
But Theory of the Malleability of Space and Time is more accurate and impressive to let masses learn the concept than the Theory of Relativity (which is also valid for Galiliean relativity).
 
Tomahoc said:
But Theory of the Malleability of Space and Time is more accurate and impressive to let masses learn the concept than the Theory of Relativity (which is also valid for Galiliean relativity).

OK, it's more accurate. So what?

You are engaging in an exercise that, in the American military, is called "pissing up a rope". You may get yourself wet but you are not going to have any effect on the rest of the world.
 
Tomahoc said:
But Theory of the Malleability of Space and Time is more accurate and impressive
Ughh, that is terrible. I wouldn't vote for that even if it weren't a completely pointless exercise.
 
Tomahoc said:
But Theory of the Malleability of Space and Time
Worst name ever!
 
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While we are fixing names ...

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