Thermal Expansion of a copper sphere

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The discussion centers around a thermal expansion problem involving a copper sphere and an aluminum plate. The original poster attempts to determine the temperature at which the copper sphere will pass through a hole in the plate, given the dimensions and thermal expansion coefficients of the materials involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the coefficients of thermal expansion for copper and aluminum, and how to incorporate the initial temperature of 20 °C into the calculations. There is a focus on the formulation of equations and the interpretation of thermal expansion coefficients.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, including the need to add the initial temperature to the calculated change in temperature. Multiple interpretations of how to apply the coefficients and the initial temperature are being explored, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a table providing typical average values for the coefficients of thermal expansion, which raises questions about their applicability at 20 °C. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to incorporate the initial temperature into their calculations.

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Please help with the below question: I have given my attempt below!

"A copper sphere of radius 2.000 cm is placed over a hole of radius 1.990 cm in an aluminum plate at 20 deg. C. At what common temperature will the sphere pass through the hole?"

My answer:

((∆T(23* 10-6)(0.01990)- .00010 = ∆T(17* 10-6)(0.02)

((∆T(23* 10-6)(0.01990) - .00010 = ∆T(17* 10-6)(0.02)

(∆T x 4.577x10^-7) – 0.00010 = (∆T x 3.4x10^-7)

- 0.00010 = (∆T x 3.4x10^-7) – (∆T x 4.577x10^-7)

-0.00010 = ∆T x -1.177 x 10^-7

∆T = 849.62


Do my equations and calcs look correct? I believed the answer was in the high 700's range...I also don't know how to bring the 20 degrees into it?

HELP!
 
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Explain what you did please. Were the thermal expansion coefficients given for 20 °C or for for 0 °C?ehild
 
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Sure!

First, I found out that the coefficients of linear expansion were 23* 10^-6 for aluminium and 17* 10^-6 for copper.

Then I formulated a linear equation using these coefficients, to try and find the missing temperature.

The left side of the equation, I also added the difference between the two sides- which is .00010.

I think went about solving the equation, but I am not confident in it being right!
 
Your equations were confusing with that superfluous number of parentheses. The result for ∆T is correct, but add 20°C to get the common temperature, and round it to the significant digits and write out the unit.

ehild
 
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No I haven't used the 20 degrees anywhere..thats the problem I don't know what to do with it.

So how do I work out the coefficients of 20 degrees? I have a table that gives 'typical average values' of each substance, with the coefficient given under the heading a(degrees celsius^-1).

What does that mean?
 
ElBell said:
No I haven't used the 20 degrees anywhere..thats the problem I don't know what to do with it.

So how do I work out the coefficients of 20 degrees? I have a table that gives 'typical average values' of each substance, with the coefficient given under the heading a(degrees celsius^-1).

What does that mean?

What was the formula you learned for the linear thermal expansion of solids? Was it the same as this one:

[tex]L(final)-L(initial)=a(T(final) -T(initial))[/tex]

T(final) -T(initial) is abbreviated as ΔT.

You calculated ΔT. Add the initial temperature to it, and you get the final temperature.

ehild
 
Thanks very much for your help. I got the idea for the equation from another post as one wasnt given on my assignment.

I am guessing I add 849 degrees to 20 degrees to get my final result?

Thanks again, much appreciated!
 
Yes, add it!

ehild
 

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