Thermo - double Vrms, find heat required

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The discussion focuses on a thermodynamics problem involving a diatomic gas undergoing a process where pressure is proportional to volume, leading to a doubling of the rms speed of the molecules. In part a, the pV diagram is described as showing a linear increase in pressure and volume to 4Pi and 4Vi, respectively. For part b, the calculated change in energy (ΔE) is initially found to be 15/2 PiVi, but there is confusion regarding the expected answer in the textbook, which includes additional terms. The participants agree that the work done by the gas must be considered to accurately calculate the heat required (Q), leading to a revised expression of Q as 18/2 PiVi. The discussion concludes with skepticism about a potential misprint in the textbook answer.
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Homework Statement


n moles of a diatomic gas with CV =5/2 R has initial pressure pi and volume Vi. The gas undergoes a process in which the pressure is directly proportional to the volume until the rms speed of the molecules has doubled.
a. Show this process on a pV diagram.
b. How much heat does this process require? Give your answer in terms of n, pi , and Vi

Homework Equations


PV = 2/3 N εavg
εavg = 1/2 mv2
PV = nRT
E = 5/2 nRT
Q = ΔE

The Attempt at a Solution


Part a was done simply by linearly increasing Pi and Vi to 4 Pi and 4 Vi respectively.

Part b:
ΔE = \frac{5}{2} nRΔT
= \frac{5}{2} nR(\frac{4P_iV_i}{nR} - \frac{P_iV_i}{nR})
= \frac{15}{2} P_iV_i

However, the answer in the back is:

\frac{15n+3}{2} P_iV_i

Not sure where the n and +3 came from, maybe PV = 2/3 N εavg? Plugging that in doesn't seem to work though.
 
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undagada said:

Homework Equations


...
Q = ΔE
Does this equation account for any work done by the gas?

The Attempt at a Solution


Part a was done simply by linearly increasing Pi and Vi to 4 Pi and 4 Vi respectively.
This would cause PV to increase by a factor of 16.

Part b:
ΔE = \frac{5}{2} nRΔT
= \frac{5}{2} nR(\frac{4P_iV_i}{nR} - \frac{P_iV_i}{nR})
= \frac{15}{2} P_iV_i
OK, now you have PV increasing by a factor of 4. I believe this is correct for ΔE. However, to get Q you will need to take into account any work done by the gas.

However, the answer in the back is:
\frac{15n+3}{2} P_iV_i
I think there must be a misprint in this expression. Q should be proportional to the number of moles.
 
TSny said:
This would cause PV to increase by a factor of 16.
You're right, it should be 2 Pi and 2 Vi.
TSny said:
OK, now you have PV increasing by a factor of 4. I believe this is correct for ΔE. However, to get Q you will need to take into account any work done by the gas.
Okey dokey.

\Delta E = \frac{15}{2} P_iV_i
W = \int pV
\Delta E = Q -W_s
\frac{15}{2} P_iV_i = Q - ( \frac{1}{2} (2V_i - V_i)(2P_i - P_i) + (P_i V_i) )
Q = \frac{15}{2} P_iV_i + \frac{P_i V_i}{2} + P_i V_i
Q = \frac{18}{2} P_iV_i

That looks a little better. I would not be surprised if the answer is a misprint; that has happened a lot for this textbook. (Knight Physics 3rd ed.)

Thanks for your help!
 
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