What is the Explanation for d=1/3 in the Thermodynamic Relationship?

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The discussion focuses on explaining why the value of d in the thermodynamic relationship S=A[UVN]^d must equal 1/3. Participants emphasize the importance of matching units on both sides of the equation, noting that the left side has units of J/K while the right side does not align due to the constant A. The relevance of the postulates of thermodynamics is highlighted, particularly the third postulate, which states that entropy is extensive and additive over subsystems. By considering the implications of extensive properties, participants suggest substituting scaled variables into the equation to derive restrictions on d. Ultimately, the consensus is that understanding the extensive nature of entropy leads to the conclusion that d must be 1/3.
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Homework Statement



Consider relationship for a thermodynamic system:

S=A[UVN]^d , where A is a constant and d a real number.

I need to explain why d=1/3 is the only allowed value consistent with the postulates of thermodynamics.

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm having a hard time determining why this is the case from the postulates.
 
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You should start by writing down the postulates you think could be relevant.
 
mrjohns said:

Homework Statement



Consider relationship for a thermodynamic system:

S=A[UVN]^d , where A is a constant and d a real number.

I need to explain why d=1/3 is the only allowed value consistent with the postulates of thermodynamics.

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm having a hard time determining why this is the case from the postulates.

Please check your PMs. You must write out the relevant equations and show your attempt at solving this problem.
 
This is a problem involving units. The units on both sides of the equation must match.
 
I don't have an attempt because I'm completely stumped.

The units on the left hand side are J/K, and on the right they are J^(1/3) m - which don't match.

I can't see anything in the postulates that helps either:

P1 - There exist equilibrium states characterised completely by U, V, N.
P2 - There exists a function of the macroscopic variables, the entropy, which is maximised when a constraint is removed
P3 - Entropy is additive over subsystems, and is a continuous and differentiable and increasing function of the total internal energy U
 
Considering you don't know the units of A, it's pointless to match units between sides.

Can you give an example of what the third postulate means?
 
While you can't match units directly because of the A term you can still make progress by requiring that the entropy be extensive.
 
mrjohns said:
P3 - Entropy is additive over subsystems

This is important.
 
U, V, N, and S are all extensive properties. So, if you double U, V, and N, what has to happen to S?
 
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I know that for a constant:

S(kN,KV,KU)=kS(N,V,U)

But I'm not sure how that restricts the power to a third.
 
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Substitute kU, kV, and kN, and kS into your thermodynamic relationship, and see what you get.
 
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