Thermodynamic temperature derivation

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the thermodynamic temperature scale, emphasizing that heat transfer between reservoirs is a function of their temperatures, expressed as Q1/Q2=Φ(T1,T2). One question raised is whether it is an assumption that the function Φ maintains its form across different temperatures, to which it is clarified that Φ can indeed change its value with temperature variations. Another point of inquiry is the expression of Φ(T1,T2) as ψ(T1)/ψ(T2), which is acknowledged as an underlying assumption in the derivation process. The conversation references a specific section in a thermodynamics textbook for further clarification. Understanding these concepts is crucial for grasping the foundations of thermodynamic temperature scales.
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In deriving thermodynamic temperature scale, it uses the concept that heat transfer between two reservoirs is the function of the reservoirs' temperatures. i.e. Q1/Q2=Φ(T1,T2). And then further express that Φ(T1,T2)=ψ(T1)/ψ(T2).

I have two questions, 1. Is it a hidden assumption that the function Φ doesn't change its form for different temperatures? i.e. for different reservoirs we just plug in different temperatures Φ(T1,T2), Φ(T3,T4) but it can never be some other functions for different temperatures. Why?

2. Why Φ(T1,T2) can be expressed as ψ(T1)/ψ(T2)? Any underlying assumptions?
 
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kelvin490 said:
I have two questions, 1. Is it a hidden assumption that the function Φ doesn't change its form for different temperatures? i.e. for different reservoirs we just plug in different temperatures Φ(T1,T2), Φ(T3,T4) but it can never be some other functions for different temperatures. Why?
Your question doesn't make any sense. The fact that it depends on temperatures means that Φ can change its value for different temperatures. It can.
kelvin490 said:
2. Why Φ(T1,T2) can be expressed as ψ(T1)/ψ(T2)? Any underlying assumptions?
My understanding is this is an underlying assumption, at least in this presentation of the material.
 
kelvin490 said:
In deriving thermodynamic temperature scale, it uses the concept that heat transfer between two reservoirs is the function of the reservoirs' temperatures. i.e. Q1/Q2=Φ(T1,T2). And then further express that Φ(T1,T2)=ψ(T1)/ψ(T2).

I have two questions, 1. Is it a hidden assumption that the function Φ doesn't change its form for different temperatures? i.e. for different reservoirs we just plug in different temperatures Φ(T1,T2), Φ(T3,T4) but it can never be some other functions for different temperatures. Why?

2. Why Φ(T1,T2) can be expressed as ψ(T1)/ψ(T2)? Any underlying assumptions?
See Section 5.3 in Introduction to Chemical Engineering Thermodynamics by Smith and Van Ness.

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