Thermodynamics, composite bar linear expansion

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The problem involves a composite bar made of two metals with different coefficients of linear thermal expansion, and it requires calculating the ratio of the initial lengths of the two sections based on their thermal expansion when subjected to a temperature increase.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the assumption that the two bars will not expand equally and explore the implications of this on the overall length change. There are attempts to express the total length in terms of the initial lengths of each section and to derive a ratio from the equations presented.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the equations, suggesting the introduction of a ratio for the lengths of the two sections. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is a focus on deriving relationships rather than reaching a definitive solution.

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Homework Statement



"A composit bar is made of two metals joined in series, with coefficients of linear thermal expansion 2.2E-5 and 0.9E-5 K^-1 respectively. The bar expands by 0.5% in length with a temperature rise of 500 K. Calculate the ratio of the initial lengths of the two metal sections."

Homework Equations


The main equation I think to be useful is ΔL=α L ΔT


The Attempt at a Solution



I am thinking that I cannot assume that the two bars will expand the same amount, meaning that the sum of ΔL1+ΔL2+L=1.005L...

500(ΔL1α1+ΔL2α2)+L=1.005L
500(ΔL1α1+ΔL2α2)/L=0.005

Whatever way I look at this I just see myself going round in circles :/
 
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RJWills said:
500(ΔL1α1+ΔL2α2)+L=1.005L

Are you sure you want the Δ's in this equation?

Also, can you express L in terms of the initial lengths of each section?
 
Hi RJWills! :smile:

What does the question ask for?

The ratio L1/L2 …

so call that ratio "r", and put it into the equation! :wink:
 
Okay so tried it the way you suggested, here's what I did:

500(L1α1+L2α2) +L1+L2 = 1.005(L1+L2)
1.011L1 + 1.0045L2 = 1.005(L1+L2)
Therefore L1/L2 = 1/12 (0.0833...) right?
 
RJWills said:
Okay so tried it the way you suggested, here's what I did:

500(L1α1+L2α2) +L1+L2 = 1.005(L1+L2)
1.011L1 + 1.0045L2 = 1.005(L1+L2)
Therefore L1/L2 = 1/12 (0.0833...) right?


Looks good. :smile:
 
Awesome thanks for the help guys :)
 

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