Thermodynamics: Conservation of energy problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the conservation of energy in a closed system. Participants are analyzing the energy transfers involved in a process where work and heat are exchanged, and the system's kinetic and potential energy changes are considered.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the net energy transfer to the system by work is 200 Btu, while there is a net heat transfer from the system of 30 Btu, leading to a proposed total energy change of 170 Btu.
  • Another participant questions how to convert kinetic energy from the mass and velocity into Btu, expressing uncertainty about unit conversions.
  • A later reply suggests including the change in potential energy in the calculations, affirming that it must be accounted for in the energy balance.
  • One participant expresses discomfort with the British units system and discusses the complexities of converting between Btu and foot-pounds, providing a conversion factor for clarity.
  • There is mention of confusion regarding the use of pounds for both mass and force, with a reference to the distinction between mass and weight in scientific contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to include both kinetic and potential energy in the energy balance, but there is no consensus on the correct unit conversions or the approach to solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding unit conversions, particularly between British units and the need for clarity on whether mass or force is being referenced. The discussion also highlights potential confusion stemming from the use of different British unit systems.

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Homework Statement


A closed system initially at rest on the surface of the Earth undergoes a process for which there is a net energy transfer to the system by work of 200 Btu. During the process, there is a net heat transfer from the system of 30 Btu. At the end of the process, the system has velocity of 200 ft/sec at an elevation of 200 ft. The mass of the system is 50lb and the local acceleration due to gravity is 32 ft/s2. Determine the change in internal energy of the system for this process, in Btu.


Homework Equations



\DeltaE = \DeltaU + \DeltaKE + \Delta PE


The Attempt at a Solution



So I understand that the system initially has 200 Btu transferred to it. And 30 Btu taken away from the heat.

So my understanding of that is that \DeltaE is equal to 170 Btu. Correct?

In calculating the \DeltaKE, all I see is that initially it is 0, and after it is 1/2mv2. This gives my units in \frac{lbft^2}{s^2}

How do I get this in Btu? I'm not very good with units.

Also, would I include \DeltaPE since the system is moving at the end of process?
 
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Maybe this can help you;

Btu / lbm = 25,037 ft2 / s2

or you can also use any conversation software/website from pound force to btu.
 
I think everything you've written is good. Yes, the increase in potential energy must be included in your equation.

I also don't like dealing in the British units system. It doesn't help that there are more than one of them - BG and EE and god knows what else (see link below). The thing you need is converting BTU to ft-pounds: •1 Btu (British thermal unit) = 778.3 ft-lb. Now everything is in pounds of mass, pounds of force, feet and seconds. In this case I suppose we're dealing with the EE system since mass is given in pounds, not slugs. So 1 lb of force = 1 lb of mass * 32.2 ft/sec2. The last number is of course g, the acceleration of gravity, which everybody but the Brits know as 9.81 m/sec2. :-)

Actually, there IS a similar confusion with folks using kg - they use kg to mean both force and mass, exactly analogous to the misuse of pounds. Scientists of course avoid using kg for force or weight, using Newtons instead.


http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/mass-weight-d_589.html
 

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