Thoroughly confused on self-inductance

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The discussion revolves around the concept of self-inductance, including its definition, implications, and the calculation of magnetic flux through surfaces. Participants express confusion regarding the intuitive understanding of self-inductance and the application of related equations.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the definition of self-inductance, suggesting it relates to the ability to resist changes in voltage and current.
  • Another participant clarifies that self-inductance involves the generation of voltage in a conductor due to changes in current, emphasizing the relationship with magnetic fields.
  • A participant questions how to determine which surface to use when calculating magnetic flux in the context of self-inductance.
  • One response indicates that any surface can be used for flux calculations, as the result depends only on the boundary of the surface.
  • Another participant suggests that when solving problems, one should choose a surface that simplifies the situation, considering the symmetry involved.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the intuitive understanding of self-inductance, and there are varying perspectives on how to approach the calculation of magnetic flux.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and applications of self-inductance and magnetic flux, indicating a need for clearer explanations or analogies. The discussion includes assumptions about the relevance of surface choice in flux calculations.

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I am havingA LOT of trouble with self-inductance and have spent 10+ hours watching videos on youtube, and I'm still getting nowhere.

From what I understand:

self inductance = the ability of a thing (not sure what) to resist the change in voltage (and thereby causing current to change more steadily. (is this right?)


In my textbook derivation of the self-inductance of a coaxial cable, they took a cross section like here:

http://www.phys.nthu.edu.tw/~thschang/notes/GP32.pdf (page 8)

I don't really get this at all intuitively, because can't you choose any cross section?? How do you know where to find the surface which you want to get the flux of?

I guess the problem is that, I feel as if you need to multiply the result by 2pi*r to get the whole entire cylinder, however this is not true.

Please help (and if you happen to know a good analogy for self-inductance, please share because i am very confused )
 
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darksyesider said:
self inductance = the ability of a thing (not sure what) to resist the change in voltage (and thereby causing current to change more steadily. (is this right?)

Self inductance is the creation of a voltage in a conductor when the current through that conductor changes. It is important to understand that the basic principles of self induction are no different than mutual induction. A change in current through a conductor causes the magnetic field generated by that conductor to change. This change in the magnetic field generates an EMF in the conductor itself as well as any nearby conductors.

The EMF generated in self induction always tries to resist the change in the current. That is, if the current is increasing, the EMF will be against the direction of current. It will oppose it. If instead the current is decreasing, the EMF generated will act to keep the current flowing.
 
Thanks. Also, in the equation:## emf = \dfrac{d\phi_B}{dt}##

how do you know which surface to take the flux of?
 
You can take any surface and calculate flux through it. The result does not depend on the shape of the surface, only on the closed curve that is its boundary.
 
As Jano L. said the law applies to any surface. When solving problems you should for a surface that simplifies the problem as much as possible often taking the symmetry of the physical situation into account.
 

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