Thought Experiment on Dark Matter

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The discussion explores a thought experiment regarding dark matter and the implications of an infinite universe filled uniformly with matter. It highlights the paradox that while a large sphere of matter exerts a force towards its center, an infinite universe lacks a definitive center of mass, leading to symmetrical forces on a test mass. Participants note that if the universe were static, it would collapse under gravitational forces, yet forces on individual particles suggest stability. Einstein's introduction of the cosmological constant aimed to address this paradox, but ultimately, the consensus is that the real universe is dynamic rather than static. The conversation underscores the complexities of understanding gravitational forces in the context of infinite space.
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Thinking about the hypothetical dark matter, I came to the following (primitive) thought experiment. Consider a large sphere (say radius R) filled uniformily with matter and a small test mass located at radius R1. This test mass will experience a force to the centre of the sphere and the strenght of this force is proportional to the mass content of the sphere limited to R1 (the effect of the outer mass cancel outs, as is well known). Now, increase the radius R to a very large value. Again, the force should remain the same. In fact, one can make R arbitrarily large.
So, now consider an infinite space, filled uniformily with matter. The test mass will now not experience a force towards a specific direction, because of symmetry.
So, one gets the strange thing that there is a difference between R being arbitrary large and R being infinite. What does this mean ? :confused:


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What does this mean ?
In the infinite universe there is no centre of mass. Every point is the centre of mass.

If you have a line with a sequence of numbers from x to y there is a number that is 'equidistant' from the end points x and y. In a line with an infinite sequence from - \infty to +\infty every point on the line is equidistant from the 'end points'.

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notknowing said:
So, one gets the strange thing that there is a difference between R being arbitrary large and R being infinite. What does this mean ? :confused:
You're right, it is a paradox. If you think of an infinite universe in terms of a large sphere with radius tending to infinity then you deduce that a static universe is impossible - everything would collapse together. But if you think of the forces on an arbitrary particle then you find that everything can stay where it is.

Einstein's solution to the problem was to accept the first view, but to introduce a cosmological constant to prevent it. There's some evidence that Newton also considered this, but in the end went for the second point of view, and so insisted upon 'absolute' space.

Neither solution really allows a static universe, since small perturbations would always grow.

The real universe is not static, so the problem doesn't arise.
 
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