Three Dimensional Infinite-Potential Well Energies

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The discussion revolves around finding the energies of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th excited states in a three-dimensional infinite potential well, specifically within a cubical box. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the selection of quantum numbers (n values) for these excited states and their degeneracy.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the energy levels using the formula for a cubical box and seeks clarification on the appropriate quantum numbers for subsequent excited states. They question how to systematically determine the n values for each excited state and express uncertainty about the degeneracy of these states.

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Some participants provide guidance on identifying the next excited states by suggesting a method for organizing the quantum numbers. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion, and a participant offers specific examples of energy eigenvalues for certain states, contributing to the ongoing exploration of the topic.

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The original poster notes that they have successfully derived the energy formula but are struggling with the selection of quantum numbers for the excited states. There is an indication that the discussion may involve assumptions about the ordering and degeneracy of states in quantum mechanics.

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Homework Statement


So the question asks me to find the energies of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th excited states in a three dimensional cubical box and to state which are degenerate.


Homework Equations


-\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2m}\nabla^{2}\Psi + V\Psi = E\Psi


The Attempt at a Solution


so I derived E = \frac{\pi^{2}\hbar^{2}}{2mL^{2}}(n_{1}^{2} + n_{2}^{2} + n_{3}^{2}) for a cubical box. I think this is correct, so the derivation isn't where my question lies.
I'm having a little trouble knowing what n values to use for the different energy states. For ground state my book says it's [111]. It then says that for the first excited state it is either [112], [121], or [211] and goes into talking about degeneracy. I think I understand everything up until this point. But I am confused as to how I keep going to subsequent excited states...

Would the second excited state be [113], [131], and [311]? or would it be [122], [221], and [212]?
Would the third excited state be [114], [141], and [411]? or would it be [222]? or something even weirder like [123], [132], [213], [231], [312], and [321]

So on and so forth for the 4^{th} and 5^{th} excited states.
I just don't get when to increase what n.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! I looked around the forums and didn't find anyone else asking this question. I feel like I did the hard part (the derivation) correctly, but am stuck on the simple part. QM has its ways of being frustrating at times...
 
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The next energy eigenvalues would be [122], [212], [221].

The easiest method of doing "Which excited state comes next" problems is to just put the numbers into the n_i in your energy eigenvalue.

[113]:
<br /> \begin{array}{lll}E_{113}&amp;=&amp;\frac{\pi^2\hbar^2}{2mL^2}\left((1)^2+(1)^2+(3)^2\right) \\ \\ \,&amp;=&amp;E_{0}\cdot11<br /> \end{array}<br />

[122]:
<br /> \begin{array}{lll}E_{122}&amp;=&amp;\frac{\pi^2\hbar^2}{2mL^2}\left((1)^2+(2)^2+(2)^2\right) \\ \\ \,&amp;=&amp;E_{0}\cdot9<br /> \end{array}<br />

where E_0=\pi^2\hbar^2/2mL^2. So there is a lower energy in the [122] state than in the [113] state.
 
Oh ok, that makes a lot of sense. I feel stupid now lol.

Thanks a lot for the help though, I honestly just wasn't seeing it that way...
 
I know this is a really old post but I had the exact same problem and just wanted to say thanks for the help!
 

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